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Re: Don't Offer a Free Plan

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Free plans are about generating recognition, word of mouth, etc. They are much cheaper than advertising, and better at targeting actual users.

If you don’t offer a free plan because it’s too expensive, but blow $$$ on social media and web advertising, you’re probably doing it backwards.

For example, why does anyone know or care about GitHub? Because it’s free.

Re: Don't Offer a Free Plan

#112
I do kind of like the idea of alternatives to a completely free plan, like pay a few bucks once to be able to use the basic plan forever with low limits etc. Another one I've seen that I like is to allow free use with registration, but you have to register with an email address at your business domain, no free or public commercial email domains allowed.

Re: Don't Offer a Free Plan

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article specifically mentions free trial periods as being a good idea.

Different anecdata here. Trial periods suck. My experience is that I rarely have enough time to determine if I really like the service or if it's still just a shiny new tool to play with. I need more than 14-30 days to actually put in the work to understand a reasonably complex tool (say a CRM system) well enough to make a commercial recommendation. Obviously this issue doesn't apply to all SaaS companies but it's pr…

There's also the case of services which will only do (or strongly guide you to) the highest level subscription for the trial period without obvious indicators for which option you see is available in lower tiers. Sure, you can dig through the features table linked from the pricing pages, but that's unnecessary effort.

Re: Don't Offer a Free Plan

#114

As a counter, I think free plans are the way forward. ProfitWell, Canva, Mailchimp, etc are all leaders. Freemium is how you win. I broke down my thought process here: https://www.chrisfrantz.com/how-to-kill-a-unicorn/

Interesting article, and I think we (I'm the author of the submission) may both be right to some degree. I wrote the article with an small/indie SaaS business in mind, which often targeting other small-medium businesses and developers where the goal is not necessarily to become market leader.

The intent was to say in a convoluted way: focus on those that value your business, and in particular focus on paying customers (the higher the better). In general it's better to have fewer customers that pay more and pamper them.

If you have millions of users the story is very different of course.

Re: Don't Offer a Free Plan

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post #4

Most MBA programs go over why you don’t want a small number of high paying clients. It’s the opposite of diversification and is a risk factor. In the situation they claim as bad losing 1 clients means losing 10% of your revenue!

Still it’s easier to support 10 users than a 100. Product may be simpler because of it.

It depends on which 10.

Re: Don't Offer a Free Plan

#116
post #72

This is really aggressively oversimplifying a complicated problem that exists across a huge number of different types of software. In some cases, sure, a free plan is going to cost more in effort than it pays in users who convert to paid. That said, the objection that free users are going to take up too much time is pretty easily solved... look at Google, which has zero customer support and an enormous number of free…

I view articles like this as if I'm watching a high school debate team competition where the author is forced to argue a side while ignoring the positives of the other side. Fun for seeing emphasizing different perspective, not so great for giving a balanced view. > In some cases, sure, a free plan is going to cost more in effort than it pays in users who convert to paid Definitely. This is the most common mistake I…

> However, those free users were poised to recommend Dropbox when their companies were looking for a file storage and sharing solution.

You can take the Dropbox example further though. The free plan was absolutely necessary for Dropbox. If you're in the file sharing business, it's only going to work if all users are using Dropbox.

Re: Don't Offer a Free Plan

#117
At Notion, we used to have a limited free plan where we only allowed users to create 1000 blocks (pages/paragraphs/embeds/checkboxes/database rows) before we directed them to upgrade to the "Personal Pro" plan. Supporting free users dealing with the block limit was a major headache, just as described in the OP, but more importantly the Personal Pro plan was kind of a dead end - few users converted to Pro, and those that did weren't worth much, since the Pro plan is pretty cheap and doesn't have much network effect.

We took a hard look at that free personal plan and how it worked with our goals. Instead of phasing it out, we decided to make it unlimited - now personal users can make as many blocks as they want [https://www.notion.so/personal]. But importantly, we also switched up our segmentation at the same time: we restricted the personal plans' collaboration model and created a new "Team Trial" plan, with the same 1000 block limit, but with all the teamwork features included. Another thing to note about our Team Trail is that it's not time-limited at all, teams can keep trialing Notion until it has clear value to them. We have many fewer users frustrated by the block limit, but those who are are much more valuable, and are getting a lot more out of Notion -- when they upgrade, it's to a Team plan with strong network effects and a path to future expansion.

And all those (now) very happy users on the free plan? They're like jonpurdy [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26059666] - they'll take Notion into their (future) teams and workplaces, even though in the shorter term they're a strain on our systems.

My advice is - there's more nuance to this than "MAKE IT FREE" vs "DON'T MAKE IT FREE". Think about how you structure upgrade incentives around value, and about how your free plans fit into your overall market strategy.

Re: Don't Offer a Free Plan

#120
post #43

Anecdata: Trello and Jira both have free plans that I used that caused me to recommend them for paid usage at multiple companies I’ve worked with. Those free plans resulted in $xx-$xxxx monthly subscriptions. Asana has a paid plan with a 5-user minimum limit. I never bothered to even try it since I wouldn’t have the extended time to play with it. As a result it never even got mentioned to companies I’ve worked with.…

I think trials can be improved for services where you can discern whether the user is directly interacting with it. You give them 100 days of usage, and then decrement a counter when they interact with the site the first time each day.

This would be great. I never bought AudioMulch back in the day because I installed the free trial, forgot about it, then when I was ready to evaluate it it started blaring incredibly loud voice messages saying "It's time to pay." I immediately closed and uninstalled it.
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