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The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Post by falcor84 »

RealityVoid wrote: post #146
actuator wrote: post #71

Except for winning competitions, is there any natural advantage of bodybuilding for both men and women? For both, for advantage in most sports and attractiveness the typical calisthenics physique, sort of gymnast/football(soccer) one seems like the ideal one to me, yet a lot of people seem to be obsessed with getting overly buff.

Strong people are harder to kill and more usefull in general.

>Strong people are harder to kill

Is that actually so? Looking at US homicide statistics, over 75% of cases involve firearms. Would a bodybuilder have better chances of surviving a bullet wound?

Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Post by jlos »

RealityVoid wrote: post #142
samatman wrote: post #131

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It surprises you, on Hacker News, to find someone who doesn't give a lot of thought to his appearance and thinks it's weird that other people do? Not that we should go around calling people 'neckbeards', it's rude, but there's a reason the term exists.

Not OP. But, maybe, a bit, it does surprise me. Most programmers I know in real life are not neck beards and quite presentable, despite what the cliche' is like.

The traits associated with technical skills definitely bump the distribution more to the side of 'neckbeard'. So, yes, most programmers are normal (well groomed, exercise, developed social skills) but the number people who show no compelling evidence they possess a theory of mind is noticably higher and account for the tropes.

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Post by tokai »

ip26 wrote: post #65
orasis wrote: post #2

Every display sport has a consensus aesthetic that is being optimized for. Don’t expect to be judged well if you’re showing parkour steez at a gymnastics competition. It doesn’t mean the sport is wrong, it just maybe means you should pioneer an alternative sport or category to suit your target aesthetic.

There's a line somewhere where the sport does become wrong IMO. For a different example, dog shows have selected for objectively unhealthy genes (see sloped back & hip dysplasia). It would be neat to see some sort of blend of function and form scoring. Look ripped, but put those muscles to work as well. Bodybuilding & weightlifting meets gymnastics. The need to perform athletically puts on some guardrails- less starv…

Dog shows are a great example. Many breeds are actively being destroyed, and breeders going against the norm are being excluded from the community.

Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Post by samatman »

gamblor956 wrote: post #50
CydeWeys wrote: post #11

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I think people are quite aware of how prolific steroid usage in bodybuilding is. It's the movie actor physiques that people aren't as aware of.

Modern actors aren't as willing to sacrifice their health for muscle as their historical counterparts, especially because the lean look is preferred over the muscle-bound appearance of yesteryear. Thus, (with rare exceptions, like Christian Bale between The Machinist and Batman Begins ), what you see on screen today is hard-earned through hours a day in the gym, a very regimented diet, and hydration timing. Generally…

This is just wrong.

Nujani is on gear, and what's more, he has an NDA which means he can't talk about it even if he wanted to.

I can't prove it, of course. But don't fool yourself, that's what's happening. Look at his jawline if you don't believe me, what diet is supposed to do that?

Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

falcor84 wrote: post #151
RealityVoid wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strong people are harder to kill and more usefull in general.

>Strong people are harder to kill Is that actually so? Looking at US homicide statistics, over 75% of cases involve firearms. Would a bodybuilder have better chances of surviving a bullet wound?

Yes

Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Post by redisman »

throwaway2245 wrote: post #136
leshow wrote: post #120

> What was left was mostly tilapia and cod, kale, low-sodium broth, and colorless, calorie-free shirataki noodles. Sasha’s rules around food and training, handed down to him from other coaches as bodybuilding doctrine, were inscrutable to me. I found myself living in a world where green bell peppers were OK and red peppers were not I just want to say that while this is representative of what some bodybuilders do. It'…

> Anyone who is saying one bell pepper type is okay... This assumes that Sasha's only concern with food consumption is nutrition alone, where other aspects of discipline and adherence are likely to also be important. Asking for red, green and blue but specifically no brown M&Ms doesn't mean that you think brown M&Ms are fundamentally different in any way: there was another reason why Van Halen did that.

It was Van Halen’s unit test for the gig. If there were brown M&Ms he knew not to climb on the equipment as obviously the venue didn’t read his instructions

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Post by belorn »

nsajko wrote: post #114
Blikkentrekker wrote: post #98

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Leaving all the ridiculous gender politics aside, body building is very comparable to those so-called “ pro-ana ” models in how unhealthy it is, and I believe it should be treated the same, which is, of course: allow a man to do what he wants. However, it strikes me as a particular dual standard that some jurisdictions have tackled models whose body fat percentage is dangerously low, but who do not have steroid-built…

> some jurisdictions have tackled models whose body fat percentage is dangerously low [...] What are you talking about here? > unhealthily large muscles Taking steroids and other activities related to bodybuilding and sports more generally can sure take their toll, but I'm pretty sure nobody has problems because of overly large muscles. > most body builders are unhealthy low in fat Source? > But of course, that is no…

> but I'm pretty sure nobody has problems because of overly large muscles.

There is actually a body dysmorphic disorder called Muscle dysmorphia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_dysmorphia). It is pretty easy to see the similarities of similar disorders.

In general I would also suspect a higher rate of injuries related to those exercise that maintain that large muscle mass, and potential risk factors in regard to diet.

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Post by vmception »

goldenchrome wrote: post #150
RealityVoid wrote: post #142

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Not OP. But, maybe, a bit, it does surprise me. Most programmers I know in real life are not neck beards and quite presentable, despite what the cliche' is like.

“Presentable” and “attractive” are often different things. Most engineers I know put in enough effort to be presentable, but not attractive.

You wouldn’t know the others are engineers.

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Post by Clewza313 »

leshow wrote: post #120

> What was left was mostly tilapia and cod, kale, low-sodium broth, and colorless, calorie-free shirataki noodles. Sasha’s rules around food and training, handed down to him from other coaches as bodybuilding doctrine, were inscrutable to me. I found myself living in a world where green bell peppers were OK and red peppers were not I just want to say that while this is representative of what some bodybuilders do. It'…

Yes, the article mentions that later, and she switches to a more sensible regimen:

> My own research had proved that many of his ideas, though common in bodybuilding, were scientifically baseless. ... your daily intake of macronutrients—protein, fat, and carbohydrates—falls within the prescribed ranges, you can eat whatever you want.

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Post by samatman »

Alex3917 wrote: post #42
jaegerpicker wrote: post #24

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So Wrestling, Judo, BJJ, MMA, Boxing aren't real sports? Golf isn't a sport? Baseball, Basketball, Football, Volleyball, and Soccer are all won on points not seconds/meters. Power lifting? I can really go on all day. You might not care for the sport but that doesn't make it any less valid as a sport.

Those are all games. Sports are things like running, cycling, rowing, cross country skiing, ski jumping, shot put, etc.

Your definition is etymologically backward.

A sport is anything diverting or entertaining which humans do for leisure. Hence, being a good sport, sporting around, and declaring dastardly behaviour to be "not sporting".

The International Olympic Committee considers chess to be a sport. And they're correct to do so.

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