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The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Post by fpgaminer »

Bakary wrote: post #34
bluecalm wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, in case of bodybuilding you need very hefty dose of hormones to even start looking like low level competitors. The bodybuilding physique isn't good for any particular activity. It's neither useful nor healthy. It's all organized so you need to grow yourself like cattle (bodybuilders even take steroids designed for making cattle killed for meat muscular). This is already terrible enough for men but for women it'…

>I think it is a terrible sport. It's not only terrible for the competitors but also for the culture as a whole as normalizing steroid physique hurts normal people. It's not only bodybuilding by the way. Fitness magazines and Hollywood actors take most of the blame to be sure. The world is growing fatter by the year so it does not seem as though people are too stressed about those conceptions of the body being thrown…

I think the logic usually goes that people get fat because they know they'll never look like what they see in the media. And so the argument is that if we bring those depictions more towards the attainable, then more people will feel like they can get there and not just give up altogether.

Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Post by hirundo »

simonbarker87 wrote: post #16
orasis wrote: post #2

Every display sport has a consensus aesthetic that is being optimized for. Don’t expect to be judged well if you’re showing parkour steez at a gymnastics competition. It doesn’t mean the sport is wrong, it just maybe means you should pioneer an alternative sport or category to suit your target aesthetic.

BB is more an art than a sport, Steve Cook articulates this idea very well and is partly why he has moved more toward CrossFit and other activities. BB is primarily a competition with yourself for months and months with an expression of that work at the end that you hope is arbitrarily considered better than everyone else’s on stage by the judges (some of who may be trainers of other competitors on stage so good luck…

There is another response to this comment that is marked as dead within one minute of posting, and I'm trying to understand why. Here is the entire comment:

  > BB is more an art than a sport
Well, the Mr. Olympias were some of the strongest men in history.

  Ronnie Coleman was doing leg press reps in the 2,300 pound range, and he admitted after retirement wishing that he had gone heavier. His dumbbell presses over 200 pounds at 10+ reps per set is incredible. He had safety spotters in case the equipment broke bolts, not because he failed lifts.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSMaI63H9hc

  The only person on the Terminator movies sets who could lift the gatling gun was Arnold.
How does a comment like this get killed within a minute? It's not the only such example I've seen today. The comment isn't particularly brilliant, but it is somewhat relevant and not at all nasty.

Is someone with multiple accounts running a kill-the-comment script, or is there an automated HN rule that could be doing this? Or is it just that five random viewers had a beef with it within a minute and I'm overthinking it?

Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Post by detaro »

hirundo wrote: post #52
simonbarker87 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BB is more an art than a sport, Steve Cook articulates this idea very well and is partly why he has moved more toward CrossFit and other activities. BB is primarily a competition with yourself for months and months with an expression of that work at the end that you hope is arbitrarily considered better than everyone else’s on stage by the judges (some of who may be trainers of other competitors on stage so good luck…

There is another response to this comment that is marked as dead within one minute of posting, and I'm trying to understand why. Here is the entire comment: > BB is more an art than a sport Well, the Mr. Olympias were some of the strongest men in history. Ronnie Coleman was doing leg press reps in the 2,300 pound range, and he admitted after retirement wishing that he had gone heavier. His dumbbell presses over 200 p…

one look at the users comment history tells you they are probably perma-banned and occasionally get vouched by users - which you could have done instead of reposting the comment.

Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Post by paulpauper »

rubyn00bie wrote: post #8
bluecalm wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, in case of bodybuilding you need very hefty dose of hormones to even start looking like low level competitors. The bodybuilding physique isn't good for any particular activity. It's neither useful nor healthy. It's all organized so you need to grow yourself like cattle (bodybuilders even take steroids designed for making cattle killed for meat muscular). This is already terrible enough for men but for women it'…

Truly. I do not think most people are aware of prolific steroid usage is... It mostly boils down to people pumping themselves full of steroids up until a week or so before the competition so they test clean. With almost zero body fat, most drugs are metabolized and removed from the body really quickly. It was pretty depressing to realize that body-building is totally gamed and drug based. Not because I was ever into…

there would be no bodybuilding without steroids, at least not in the way it is commonly understood. The physical transformation the body undergoes by taking anabolic steroids at high doses is like night and day. Without steroids, all the physiques would appear flat or emaciated, without the 'wow' factor.

Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Post by Jtsummers »

Alex3917 wrote: post #42
jaegerpicker wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So Wrestling, Judo, BJJ, MMA, Boxing aren't real sports? Golf isn't a sport? Baseball, Basketball, Football, Volleyball, and Soccer are all won on points not seconds/meters. Power lifting? I can really go on all day. You might not care for the sport but that doesn't make it any less valid as a sport.

Those are all games. Sports are things like running, cycling, rowing, cross country skiing, ski jumping, shot put, etc.

The distinction between sports and games is less well-defined than you seem to believe it is. Some sports trend towards a more pure physical competition form (running, cycling), others towards a game-like competition (soccer, football). It's not all raw physical ability, which generally shows up in purer athletic competitions like track and field, but also skill (wrestling being a combination of athleticism and skill).

Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Post by [deleted] »

hirundo wrote: post #52
simonbarker87 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BB is more an art than a sport, Steve Cook articulates this idea very well and is partly why he has moved more toward CrossFit and other activities. BB is primarily a competition with yourself for months and months with an expression of that work at the end that you hope is arbitrarily considered better than everyone else’s on stage by the judges (some of who may be trainers of other competitors on stage so good luck…

There is another response to this comment that is marked as dead within one minute of posting, and I'm trying to understand why. Here is the entire comment: > BB is more an art than a sport Well, the Mr. Olympias were some of the strongest men in history. Ronnie Coleman was doing leg press reps in the 2,300 pound range, and he admitted after retirement wishing that he had gone heavier. His dumbbell presses over 200 p…

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Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Post by joshspankit »

watwut wrote: post #31
jdthedisciple wrote: post #15

So whats the TLDR of this?

It has several topics. History of female bodybuilding, effects of bodybuilding on body, effects of extreme dieting on mind and behavior, aesthetics.

As well, I would say: the effects on social interactions

Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Post by watwut »

cccc4all wrote: post #41

Many women choose to do Figure and Bikini competitions over physique. Lots of women use the competitions as focal point to work on their bodies, fitness and get results. I know several women that are generally out of shape frumpy looking, but spent time to get into shape for figure completions. They look amazing with model perfect bodies for competition. Then, right after competition, they celebrate by binge eating j…

The article goes to great lengths to explain that. Tldr; competition look is not sustainable and also is not healthy. So they time it for competition.

Like with any other sport, peak performance is timed for competition and the rest is time for after.

Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Post by hirundo »

detaro wrote: post #53
hirundo wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is another response to this comment that is marked as dead within one minute of posting, and I'm trying to understand why. Here is the entire comment: > BB is more an art than a sport Well, the Mr. Olympias were some of the strongest men in history. Ronnie Coleman was doing leg press reps in the 2,300 pound range, and he admitted after retirement wishing that he had gone heavier. His dumbbell presses over 200 p…

one look at the users comment history tells you they are probably perma-banned and occasionally get vouched by users - which you could have done instead of reposting the comment.

I did vouch, and I've been doing that a lot. But I look back after vouching and it's never resurrected.

Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Post by MegaDeKay »

jaegerpicker wrote: post #24
Alex3917 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Every display sport has a consensus aesthetic that is being optimized for. If it's not measured in meters or seconds, it's not a real sport.

So Wrestling, Judo, BJJ, MMA, Boxing aren't real sports? Golf isn't a sport? Baseball, Basketball, Football, Volleyball, and Soccer are all won on points not seconds/meters. Power lifting? I can really go on all day. You might not care for the sport but that doesn't make it any less valid as a sport.

You're right of course. Unfortunately sports where the opinion of a judge figures strongly, like figure skating, suffer from inconsistent judging. You see this even in power lifting when a high squat gets white lighted. Power lifting could really benefit from some rule tweaks as well: being super flexible lets you crank the hell out of your back arch and minimize range of motion to comically small amounts at times [0].

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7ADqvqgnsI

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