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New quantum receiver the first to detect entire radio frequency spectrum

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Re: New quantum receiver the first to detect entire radio frequency spectrum

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My company can create some of the highest density cold Rydberg (Cs) atom setups in the world. We use our tech for focused ion beams, but I'm interested in this application. Our equipment isn't 'miniature' but everything is in a single 19" rack. If anyone who is an expert on the RF side wants to drop ideas below or contact me at adam@zerok.com to brainstorm please feel free.

Cool tech. I would reach out to technical folks at Keysight to see if there is a potential collaboration.

Re: New quantum receiver the first to detect entire radio frequency spectrum

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This still requires an antenna tuned to the appropriate wavelength, and for matching you cannot have all antennas connected at the same time, they must be switched, so this would be unable to receive all frequencies at the same time.

The paper also indicates this is a heterodyne technique, so you have to tune to a center frequency like a radio, and the receptivity looks very narrow.

Re: New quantum receiver the first to detect entire radio frequency spectrum

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Maybe it's just me, but this reads to me is as a big load of cleverly worded (misleading) statements that say little, yet make all kind of vague suggestions.

I don't know any details about this particular tech, but I think the article says this can detect radio waves over a relatively large spectrum (0Hz..20GHz) simultaneously. It doesn't mention anything about focusing on any particular frequency, or even if it can say anything about the frequency of a signal. From the article itself, it sounds more like this tech can just detect if ANY signal within this range is present, not particularly what kind of signal. Maybe the tech can "hone in" on a particular signal, but I don't remember reading anything about that.

All the rest, about all the marvelous new possibilities this tech will provide (once developed further) sounds more like somebody from marketing went all out on it. Just as so many things with "quantum" in their name, it sounds mostly like a nothing-burger blown completely out of proportion and context.

Re: New quantum receiver the first to detect entire radio frequency spectrum

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Pretty big win for RF. Peak sensitivity -145 dBm/Hz. Little bit of a stretch to say entire RF spectrum, but 0 -> 20 GHz is still really cool.

Apparently the same lab has done related work into the THz range:

"In March 2020, the laboratory announced that its scientists analysed the Rydberg sensor's sensitivity to oscillating electric fields over an enormous range of frequencies—from 0 to 10^12 Hertz"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rydberg_atom

Re: New quantum receiver the first to detect entire radio frequency spectrum

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What sort of exotic signal processing solution would be required to support 20GHz of bandwidth at any useful sampling rate and bit depth? How would you actually collect a meaningful amount of information from every station in range simultaneously? I feel like this is something that may be possible in physics, but is not well supported in practical applicability. The amount of signal processing hardware required to su…

Ask Keysight https://www.keysight.com/en/pdx-2935683-pn-UXR0802A/infiniiu... That said most signal processing scopes at high frequencies are analogue, so you are dealing with Giga Samples / Second not bps. But yes to to make sense of the actual data it would require some serious networking and storage but that might not be necessary for many applications.

Once you have performed the sampling, or even before that technically, information theory provides the connection between the analogue and the digital.

> That said most signal processing scopes at high frequencies are analogue

I think the state of the art is DC to a few (10s?) GHz with direct sampling, impressive stuff.

Re: New quantum receiver the first to detect entire radio frequency spectrum

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that long ago, the radios in a cell phone would be SF.

Indeed! The antenna in mobile phones perform well across a wide range of frequencies due to being fractals! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractal_antenna

No, it does so because of solid state tuners, and RF switches.

Re: New quantum receiver the first to detect entire radio frequency spectrum

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It seems like lower radio frequencies require really big antennas. Does this somehow work around that enabling very compact low frequency antennas? Low frequencies are very useful because they penetrate structures more easily.

Magnetic antennas are quite small already.

Re: New quantum receiver the first to detect entire radio frequency spectrum

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask Keysight https://www.keysight.com/en/pdx-2935683-pn-UXR0802A/infiniiu... That said most signal processing scopes at high frequencies are analogue, so you are dealing with Giga Samples / Second not bps. But yes to to make sense of the actual data it would require some serious networking and storage but that might not be necessary for many applications.

Once you have performed the sampling, or even before that technically, information theory provides the connection between the analogue and the digital. > That said most signal processing scopes at high frequencies are analogue I think the state of the art is DC to a few (10s?) GHz with direct sampling, impressive stuff.

By direct sampling do you mean non-interleaved? The UXR oscilloscope he linked has a set of 256 Gsample/sec digitizers which can do the full DC to 110GHz on all 4 channels.

Re: New quantum receiver the first to detect entire radio frequency spectrum

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed! The antenna in mobile phones perform well across a wide range of frequencies due to being fractals! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractal_antenna

No, it does so because of solid state tuners, and RF switches.

The article I linked claims:

A fractal antenna's response differs markedly from traditional antenna designs, in that it is capable of operating with good-to-excellent performance at many different frequencies simultaneously.

Is this inaccurate?

The associated electronics are obviously necessary too.

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