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How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Like the average EU citizen, I don't remember ever voting for anybody who represents me in the EU and I don't know any of the structures of power of the EU or how they work.

The last election was in 2019 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_European_Parliament_elect...

To the figurehead, talking shop parliament. Effectively all the power in the EU belongs to the commission, which is appointed not elected.

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Are you implying that children that are weaned shouldn't have non-dairy milk substitutes?

I’m fine with them having non-dairy beverages, but they aren’t “substitutes” nutritionally just because they have milk in the name. If your 1 year old is drinking almond milk (30cal and 1g protein per 8oz) instead of whole milk (150 cal and 8 gr protein per 8 oz), you need to adjust what you’re feeding, just like you would if you were giving any other drink. The issue is some people seem to assume liquids that are la…

And skim milk is 85 and 8, while soy milk is 130 and 8.

So I agree that different kinds of 'milk' have wildly different nutrition, but it's not really about dairy vs. non-dairy.

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

#103
post #30

Interestingly it doesn't even discuss the obvious solution: Let people who buy real meat pay for the externalities. (Interestingly even in places where there's some form of carbon pricing - like the EU - this often doesn't cover a large share of emissions from meat production, as methane emissions are very relevant here - I'm not aware of any methane pricing scheme anywhere.)

>> Interestingly it doesn't even discuss the obvious solution: Let people who buy real meat pay for the externalities. Are we going to have people paying for the "externalities" of all the products they consume? For example, the people who buy a new phone every year or half (this habit causes a significant amount of pollution, so-called "e-waste"). The people who drive their car everywhere. The people who fly a few t…

Those are all good ideas. I don't think they need to be implemented together and simultaneously.

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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> In Europe, the UK’s largest retailer, Tesco, launched more than 30 new own-brand plant-based products, as its CEO wrote that the UK should eat “less meat and dairy.”

"its CEO wrote that the UK should eat “less meat and dairy."

I wonder when incentive he could have for writting such a thing. Surely it cannot be a financial one?

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

#105
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Yes, as long as this isn't going down the route of "consumers will get confused" by terms like "oat milk". People aren't that stupid and the arguments against using the word milk annoy me. I think it's a sign that people are changing their diet and the dairy industry is worried.

I once bought " I Can't Believe It's Not Butter ! ". I'm that stupid :(. https://www.google.com/search?q=I+can%27t+believe+it%27s+not...

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Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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There is no way to satisfy the growing demand for meat in a way that is not damaging to the environment. And that's leaving aside any questions of ethics for the animals themselves.

What about pricing in all externalities and letting the price equilibrium find a natural state be removing subsidies? People will only buy what they can afford.

That would certainly be a potential solution for the environmental issues. I still don't find it to be ethical for the individuals being farmed.

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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> I've never seen a carton of oat milk and thought it contained dairy I have no issues with " milk" products and labeling them like that, but people do get confused about their nutritional profiles, thinking they're substitutes for milk. They're not, and they're chemically different enough that they're not good substitutes for cooking. About the only thing they're good substitutes for is liquid milk, though I hear oa…

> but people do get confused about their nutritional profiles By that logic, should 2% milk be allowed to be called milk? What about chocolate milk? Nutritional profiles can vary wildly between different brands and products, especially when we're talking about meat -- so where do you draw the line?

Well chocolate milk does come from brown cows, according to 16 million americans

https://iheartintelligence.com/millions-of-americans-think-c...

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

#108

Interesting how all the Silicon Valley brainiacs here on HN are far more interested in discussing the semantics of “meat” than the technology or economics. Kind of disappointing, really.

The article doesn't have a lot of substance about the economics, but there's a healthy amount of discussion about it anyway.

The article has nothing about the tech, so you shouldn't be so demanding that people talk about the tech in this particular comment section.

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

#109
post #2

It really shouldn't be called "meat". It should be called plant-based protein or meat-substitute. The definition of "meat" shouldn't change because you press some soy to look like a chicken leg.

Why shouldn’t it be called meat?

Because that’s not meat?

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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The last election was in 2019 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_European_Parliament_elect...

To the figurehead, talking shop parliament. Effectively all the power in the EU belongs to the commission, which is appointed not elected.

And who appointed them?

All political systems have delegation.

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