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Intel Fires Back at Apple's M1 Processors with Benchmarks

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Re: Intel Fires Back at Apple's M1 Processors with Benchmarks

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AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #9
post_break wrote: post #2

They can benchmark all they want. My M1 macbook pro is silent, even during a facetime or zoom call. The battery lasts more than a day which is incredible, and has never burned my legs while watching a youtube video. Every laptop I've ever owned has been Intel and has never been able to do what this machine can do.

Yeah I really don't understand why a zoom/skype video call absolutely MURDERS the battery on my laptop. It's basically just video playback. How is it so hard on the CPU?

Believe it or not, the activity that drains the battery the fastest on my M1 MacBook Air is video calling. I can expect maybe 8 or 9 hours of battery life if I'm Facetiming all day. With all other workflows (developer workflows, of course), I consistently achieve at least 12 hours of battery (15+ hours is possible on the high end).

Re: Intel Fires Back at Apple's M1 Processors with Benchmarks

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Post by Bud »

ncann wrote: post #3

> Intel claims that the M1 in the MacBook Pro it tested failed eight out of 25 tests it uses, including "Switch to Calendar'' in Outlook, "start video conference" in Zoom, and "Select picture Menu" in PowerPoint. Honestly, what's the point of these office related benchmarks other than marketing nonsense? When has these tasks ever matter performance wise?

This comical bullshit reminds me of the intentionally-hilarious stuff in Nigerian spam emails, which is designed to be so obviously bogus that it filters out all but the stupidest and most credulous targets.

Re: Intel Fires Back at Apple's M1 Processors with Benchmarks

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Post by asdfjklk234 »

Apple has the advantage of a 5nm Taiwan process node while Intel is making 10nm chips in Oregon and Arizona. And AMD Ryzen has the advantage of Taiwanese 7nm. Apple is hogging most 5nm capacity to itself because it can use its 800lb Gorilla volume to squeeze out competitors. ("All your 5nm belongs to us or we'll do you like we did nVidia. We've shipped over 1.65 billion devices and no one can afford to say no to us. Like the British Empire of old and the Dutch East India Company we can use the modern equivalent of gunboat diplomacy to force you Asians to do business on terms most favorable to us." [The USA just sent the USS Roosevelt carrier group to the South China sea as I write this, so the old-fashioned gunboat diplomacy never went out of fashion, either.]) Anyhow, it's impressive that Intel can even be in the same ballpark using much larger and much more power hungry 10nm gates made in the good ol' USA. When Intel, AMD, and Apple are all eventually on the same final process node (3nm or 1nm or whatever) I'll be curious to see how Intel then compares. Intel stock P/E is currently a very low 11.78 while Apple is 37.09 and AMD is 42.59.

Re: Intel Fires Back at Apple's M1 Processors with Benchmarks

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Post by phendrenad2 »

What's the point of this? M1 has conquered the laptop market (at least the "thin & light" end, gaming is another matter). I'm expecting to see Chromebooks and other ARM devices go wild in 2021.

Intel should ignore M1, it's irrelevant to Intel's business model (making desktop and server CPUs, and mobile CPUs for heavy desktop users who want the same programs on the go).

Re: Intel Fires Back at Apple's M1 Processors with Benchmarks

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Post by sircastor »

The most interesting thing to me about this is that this is not about Intel competing with Apple. Apple has no interest in selling its chips.

Your is Intel trying to name sure other PC manufacturers don’t jump ship to other architectures and chip makers. Intel doesn’t really care that Apple’s gone, but they do care that everyone else might leave too.

Re: Intel Fires Back at Apple's M1 Processors with Benchmarks

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Post by Farfignoggen »

"For pure productivity performance, Intel’s testing eschews typical benchmarks. Sure, it used Principled Technologies' WebXPRT 3, but the Microsoft Office 365 tests appear to be based on Intel's internal RUG (real-world usage guideline) tests" (see linked Article)

"Principled Technologies"

Oh really! Only this time it's not directed at AMD but at Apple's M1!

Re: Intel Fires Back at Apple's M1 Processors with Benchmarks

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Post by hctaw »

cosmotic wrote: post #22
AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I really don't understand why a zoom/skype video call absolutely MURDERS the battery on my laptop. It's basically just video playback. How is it so hard on the CPU?

Software support for the hardware encoding/deciding is very not good. Webcam streams mpeg to electron, electron probably decodes in software, reencodes in sofware, then decodes incoming stream(s) in software. If there's any client side encryption or filtering, that probably also happens in software. It's probably all JS software too. It's like the worst possible case for how to architect an app for performance. At le…

Zoom is QT, not electron. Also browser engines have good support for hardware decode, it's really in OSS libs and on platforms like Linux where there is little to no support.

Re: Intel Fires Back at Apple's M1 Processors with Benchmarks

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Post by calciphus »

post_break wrote: post #2

They can benchmark all they want. My M1 macbook pro is silent, even during a facetime or zoom call. The battery lasts more than a day which is incredible, and has never burned my legs while watching a youtube video. Every laptop I've ever owned has been Intel and has never been able to do what this machine can do.

This is the weirdest thing to me. I use a surface book and I've never had the fans turn on during video calls, even full-screen with lots of people on external 4k monitor.

Everyone switching to the new M1 talks about how quiet they are and I've not had a computer make noise unless I'm playing a serious 3d games. Why were the last gen macs so noisy?

Re: Intel Fires Back at Apple's M1 Processors with Benchmarks

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Post by rado »

calciphus wrote: post #49
post_break wrote: post #2

They can benchmark all they want. My M1 macbook pro is silent, even during a facetime or zoom call. The battery lasts more than a day which is incredible, and has never burned my legs while watching a youtube video. Every laptop I've ever owned has been Intel and has never been able to do what this machine can do.

This is the weirdest thing to me. I use a surface book and I've never had the fans turn on during video calls, even full-screen with lots of people on external 4k monitor. Everyone switching to the new M1 talks about how quiet they are and I've not had a computer make noise unless I'm playing a serious 3d games. Why were the last gen macs so noisy?

Yes, Intel MBP running Teams with loud fans is embarrassing.
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