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Re: Resignation

#21

> And, of course, in 2018 I helped create and produce the most ambitious project I’ve ever worked on: Caliphate. > While I remain proud of our team and what we were able to accomplish with Caliphate, getting any aspect of any story wrong, by any degree, is a journalist’s worst nightmare. After Caliphate was corrected, in print and in audio, peers of mine in the audio industry, from outside of The Times, began to rais…

Yes, this is well worth reading: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/11/business/media/new-york-t...

An excerpt:

> The assignment, Mr. Flood recalled thinking, was both hopeless and quite strange in its specificity [...] Ms. Callimachi was singularly focused. “She only wanted things that very narrowly supported this kid in Canada’s wild stories,” he told me in a phone interview.

> Mr. Flood didn’t know it at the time, but he was part of a frantic effort at The New York Times to salvage the high-profile project the paper had just announced.

Re: Resignation

#22

Cancel culture is a cancer. Having everything documented online doesn’t help. People are supposed to learn from mistakes. They are supposed to make them because we all make mistakes. There are mistakes that are considered table stakes for a role or a job and I’m for demotion of those individuals for it, but I don’t like seeing this cancel culture ruin lives. It’s very high school and immature.

I've no idea how you decided this was "cancel culture". It's a garden-variety cockup. Mistakes are not binary, some of them are worse than others. Messing up the spelling of someone's name is common and a subject of regular jest amongst journalists. Slightly misquoting someone might be subject to some kind of internal discipline, it will at least lead to a correction being published. Publishing mostly fiction without…

Was he fired for his bad journalism or for his past misconduct?

I couldn't tell from the article.

Re: Resignation

#23

> And, of course, in 2018 I helped create and produce the most ambitious project I’ve ever worked on: Caliphate. > While I remain proud of our team and what we were able to accomplish with Caliphate, getting any aspect of any story wrong, by any degree, is a journalist’s worst nightmare. After Caliphate was corrected, in print and in audio, peers of mine in the audio industry, from outside of The Times, began to rais…

Yes, this is well worth reading: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/11/business/media/new-york-t... An excerpt: > The assignment, Mr. Flood recalled thinking, was both hopeless and quite strange in its specificity [...] Ms. Callimachi was singularly focused. “She only wanted things that very narrowly supported this kid in Canada’s wild stories,” he told me in a phone interview. > Mr. Flood didn’t know it at the time, bu…

and this: https://www.npr.org/2020/12/18/944594193/new-york-times-retr...

Re: Resignation

#24
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>people who make personal boundaries mistakes should never have jobs again.

(without having a personal comment on this article ) Is there a more nuanced approach here? Having a job is really different from being in a leadership position at a company that has global reach and impact, no?

Re: Resignation

#25

Cancel culture is a cancer. Having everything documented online doesn’t help. People are supposed to learn from mistakes. They are supposed to make them because we all make mistakes. There are mistakes that are considered table stakes for a role or a job and I’m for demotion of those individuals for it, but I don’t like seeing this cancel culture ruin lives. It’s very high school and immature.

I've no idea how you decided this was "cancel culture". It's a garden-variety cockup. Mistakes are not binary, some of them are worse than others. Messing up the spelling of someone's name is common and a subject of regular jest amongst journalists. Slightly misquoting someone might be subject to some kind of internal discipline, it will at least lead to a correction being published. Publishing mostly fiction without…

Cancel culture is what happened after the revelations about the podcast. Some people got angry they felt he wasn't punished enough and turned to cancel culture to punish him instead.

Re: Resignation

#26

Cancel culture is a cancer. Having everything documented online doesn’t help. People are supposed to learn from mistakes. They are supposed to make them because we all make mistakes. There are mistakes that are considered table stakes for a role or a job and I’m for demotion of those individuals for it, but I don’t like seeing this cancel culture ruin lives. It’s very high school and immature.

I've no idea how you decided this was "cancel culture". It's a garden-variety cockup. Mistakes are not binary, some of them are worse than others. Messing up the spelling of someone's name is common and a subject of regular jest amongst journalists. Slightly misquoting someone might be subject to some kind of internal discipline, it will at least lead to a correction being published. Publishing mostly fiction without…

Agreed, "journalists" should be held to a high standard for the information they disseminate. Have we all forgotten "A Rape on Campus" and the fallout for Rolling Stone?

Re: Resignation

#27

Cancel culture is a cancer. Having everything documented online doesn’t help. People are supposed to learn from mistakes. They are supposed to make them because we all make mistakes. There are mistakes that are considered table stakes for a role or a job and I’m for demotion of those individuals for it, but I don’t like seeing this cancel culture ruin lives. It’s very high school and immature.

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Re: Resignation

#28
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've no idea how you decided this was "cancel culture". It's a garden-variety cockup. Mistakes are not binary, some of them are worse than others. Messing up the spelling of someone's name is common and a subject of regular jest amongst journalists. Slightly misquoting someone might be subject to some kind of internal discipline, it will at least lead to a correction being published. Publishing mostly fiction without…

Was he fired for his bad journalism or for his past misconduct? I couldn't tell from the article.

He resigned do to social media backlash it appears

Re: Resignation

#29
post #11

Assuming his claims are correct it seems a pity to resign due to online pressure. In his position, and provided I had the support of the management I would have stayed and not let a baseless online smear campaign force me out. Leaving this way gives credence to those disparaging his character.

I can almost hear the bitter weeping of the people who missed out on being in the pile on, and the solemn oathes being sworn not to miss the next one.

Re: Resignation

#30

> And, of course, in 2018 I helped create and produce the most ambitious project I’ve ever worked on: Caliphate. > While I remain proud of our team and what we were able to accomplish with Caliphate, getting any aspect of any story wrong, by any degree, is a journalist’s worst nightmare. After Caliphate was corrected, in print and in audio, peers of mine in the audio industry, from outside of The Times, began to rais…

Indeed. Those who would like to know more may want to read the NYT's own repudiation of Caliphate. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/18/business/media/new-york-t...

This Vulture article is a good overall summary of the timeline, which I would absolutely call a "scandal." https://www.vulture.com/2021/01/caliphate-controversy-new-yo...

Those who are replying here to decry "cancel culture" are falling for his story. This guy is resigning in disgrace for producing journalism so bad, so false in every regard, not just in one article but in an entire podcast spanning months, that his employer had to return his Peabody award.

Andy wants you to think that he's leaving because a Twitter mob is mad at him for giving a co-worker a back rub, and if you fall for this, you're Andy's next victim.

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