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Re: Universal Basic Income Is Superior to a $15 Minimum Wage (2019)

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Post by randomdata » Tue, Feb 02, 2021, 10:38 PM UTC

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #175

randomdata wrote: post #168

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> There is no reason in principle that they couldn't do this as soon as you fill out the paperwork, i.e. on March 1st the instant you lose your other job and become a sole proprietor with no income. But you won't really know if March is going to be income-less until it is over. On March 1st I may still be hopeful that tomorrow will be a better day. Soon it is the 31st and I realize I didn't make anything. You're stil…

> But you won't really know if March is going to be income-less until it is over. On March 1st I may still be hopeful that tomorrow will be a better day. Soon it is the 31st and I realize I didn't make anything. You're still dependent on hindsight, no? You can specify how much withholding you want. There are just penalties if you end up owing too much in the end, because otherwise people would specify none all the ti…

> So you can say on March 1st that you want the $1000 now.

So, you state that in the morning - every morning – assuming you won't have an income and then when you hit it big on GME stock at lunchtime, you pay it back at 5PM? Seems like a lot of work that won't happen in practice. It is not like you can know in advance if you will have income for the day or not.

Re: Universal Basic Income Is Superior to a $15 Minimum Wage (2019)

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Post by gtsop » Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 7:34 PM UTC

reader_mode wrote: post #162

gtsop wrote: post #88

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> At the end of the day most people don't want to work [...] We all dislike working to some extent. Where did you get that from? I really think the opposite is true.

>Where did you get that from? I really think the opposite is true. Have you ever worked in a factory, on a farm, etc. on bottom level positions ? Most people would take the money and do nothing without blinking. Hell even a bunch of my college friends would skip years of their life playing games and acquiring 0 life experience if someone gave them this option the only thing that forced them to go out in the world was…

People don't want shitty jobs != people don't want to work

Hint: The difference is within "shity" Hint: Jobs don't have to be shity

Re: Universal Basic Income Is Superior to a $15 Minimum Wage (2019)

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Post by gtsop » Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 7:37 PM UTC

reader_mode wrote: post #159

gtsop wrote: post #79

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> How were you able to determine this from across the Internet? Who told you my source is the internet? :) we all live irl and discuss with people. I never heard a low-paid worker throw this argument. It always comes from people who have better jobs and more stable income

> I never heard a low-paid worker throw this argument. It always comes from people who have better jobs and more stable income I grew up in dirt poor family of 6 in a post civil war country and my mother is a nurse - I'm very familiar with the realities of these jobs. I just know for a fact that if a nurse would start making 2x her salary a lot of people would suddenly not have access to assisted care. It's a shitty…

So your mother said that she wanted this low paying job because noone would do the job otherwise? I am trying to figure out how you are contradicting my argument that only people with better jobs propagate these things

Re: Universal Basic Income Is Superior to a $15 Minimum Wage (2019)

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Post by gtsop » Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 7:40 PM UTC

aww_dang wrote: post #90

gtsop wrote: post #79

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> How were you able to determine this from across the Internet? Who told you my source is the internet? :) we all live irl and discuss with people. I never heard a low-paid worker throw this argument. It always comes from people who have better jobs and more stable income

It appears as a variant of the 'check your privilege' argument. Everyone who disagrees with UBI, minimum wage increases is privileged and lacking empathy according to this generalization. While the actual thread appears to be about incentives. There are many who have worked entry level jobs who would object to UBI or minimum wage price fixing on purely economic terms. There are also those who are unable to afford the…

> Everyone who disagrees with UBI, minimum wage increases is privileged and lacking empathy according to this generalization.

First, I didn't make such a generalization and second, even if I did, you would have inverted the logic.

I said argument X comes only from people of category R, who are not affected by a problem.

This doesn't mean all people in R agree with argument X. It means That I've never heard argument X from people outside R