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Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by pmlnr »

alexgmcm wrote: post #44
spicyramen wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is very true, I know this has been discussed over and over, but I definitely prefer reading a personal HTML old style based blog than a Medium blog post which I need to access in incognito.

Yeah, I think the problem with self-hosting vs. Medium is that it is harder for the authors to reach a large audience. I mean, even if you don't want to make money from your cool project or tutorial or whatever, you still want people to see it. But man, I really hate Medium.

> Yeah, I think the problem with self-hosting vs. Medium is that it is harder for the authors to reach a large audience.

To be honest, this sounds like profit thinking as well. Why would one need "wide audience" when it's about their interest and hobbies? They need sincere search engines, that's all.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by rebuilder »

tal8d wrote: post #18
ivolimmen wrote: post #2

At some point, and I feel it is close, we need to subscribe to stuff and simply pay for the stuff we want and need to use. The internet always have been a place where most stuff is free and people got used to that. At some point after that the dark parts and ad parts of the web will reside; but I do not think it will completely disappear.

I've been around long enough to remember a time when the web was full of content that didn't originate from profit motive. Just a bunch of people talking about their interests and sharing their creations. Even the stuff that was commercially motivated was largely innocuous, because they were focused more on brand awareness - which doesn't need a surveillance system. All that personal interest stuff is still out there…

The web was that way because there wasn't much profit to be made. With enough users, advertising becomes viable and becomes the driving factor in content production.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by codegladiator »

ivolimmen wrote: post #2

At some point, and I feel it is close, we need to subscribe to stuff and simply pay for the stuff we want and need to use. The internet always have been a place where most stuff is free and people got used to that. At some point after that the dark parts and ad parts of the web will reside; but I do not think it will completely disappear.

> and simply pay for the stuff we want and need to use

The post tells the paid plans have all the same trackers.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by tal8d »

geek_at wrote: post #48
alexgmcm wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I think the problem with self-hosting vs. Medium is that it is harder for the authors to reach a large audience. I mean, even if you don't want to make money from your cool project or tutorial or whatever, you still want people to see it. But man, I really hate Medium.

not true, I have started a blog and hosted it on blogspot at first but wasn't satisfied with the style in general and the lack of customization so I built my own in bootstrap + php and hosted it on a 5€/month Server. No tracking, no ads, no external libraries, no referral links, no monetization. After switching to my own I re-wrote one of the articles of my old blogspot posts (word for word) and because my custom sol…

heh, I had a little project hosted on an nslu2 wedged between the water heater and the wall of my utility closet. Never had a problem, even after several major sites picked up on it the same day, because responding to get requests for static files isn't hard. Thankfully, most sites only become hard to self host after they start doing annoying things - like dynamically generating oversized embedded junk.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by tal8d »

rebuilder wrote: post #52
tal8d wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been around long enough to remember a time when the web was full of content that didn't originate from profit motive. Just a bunch of people talking about their interests and sharing their creations. Even the stuff that was commercially motivated was largely innocuous, because they were focused more on brand awareness - which doesn't need a surveillance system. All that personal interest stuff is still out there…

The web was that way because there wasn't much profit to be made. With enough users, advertising becomes viable and becomes the driving factor in content production.

That is debatable, but what isn't is the fact that the third option exists - which never gets mentioned in the tired old "If you don't disable that pesky adblocker - you'll be forced to pay!" posts.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by ogre_codes »

pawurb wrote: post #53

I've stopped using Disqus on my blog for exactly the reasons described. I've switched to https://commento.io/ and the site started loading noticably faster.

Every time I see Disqus on a site I wonder why people use it. The page load lag alone is bad enough.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by ogre_codes »

outsomnia wrote: post #36
scubbo wrote: post #28

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And? The article _starts_ with the point that "if the product is free, you are the product". Shouldn't we therefore _prefer_ a paid-for model, which must demonstrate its value in competition with similar competitors (for instance, by protecting privacy better?) Not all free markets are bad (though many are, and many are less free than they appear). A good free product is good, but I would rather a good not-free one t…

> And? ... and I won't read these fake advertorials if I don't get cheated into reading them by witholding the admission about what they are until the end. I don't want to be lectured about Dark Patterns by a guy who deliberately misled me as his first and only interaction with me.

I agree. It is frustrating because it is otherwise a good article and likely accurate.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by ymolodtsov »

scubbo wrote: post #28
outsomnia wrote: post #21

Article only makes it clear at the end that it is an ad for author's "privacy first" competitor... which is a paid-for product.

And? The article _starts_ with the point that "if the product is free, you are the product". Shouldn't we therefore _prefer_ a paid-for model, which must demonstrate its value in competition with similar competitors (for instance, by protecting privacy better?) Not all free markets are bad (though many are, and many are less free than they appear). A good free product is good, but I would rather a good not-free one t…

By they way, you're not paying for Hacker News the last time I checked.

"If the product is free you're the product" is such a blatant statement people throw around like they don't have to prove their point anymore.

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