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Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by harry8 »

rspeele wrote: post #60
harry8 wrote: post #54

And this right here is why so many people have been dead against voting machines. Even if you think you understand them, most voters can't. Most voters have no idea what to look for to see signs of fraud. Ballot papers are understood by everyone. Just about every voter knows when they're seeing something happen with ballot papers that is suspect. Just about every voter knows when there really isn't anything remotely…

> Any and all voting machines /must/ only ever be used to mark ballot papers that are filed in the usual way and can be counted in the usual way if there is any doubt whatsoever. I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the machines used in this election do. Some counties use touchscreen ballot marking devices that print a ballot for scanning, others have the voter fill out their ballot with a pen and then feed that into…

Have voting machines shifted completely to 100% of them being machines used to mark traditional ballots that are stored and can be recounted in the traditional way? "Pretty sure" isn't the appropriate standard for an election.

If not it's not close to being good enough and muddies the waters. All of them /must/ be. Without exception. Every single encroachment of the integrity of and understandability election affects all of them. The confusion matters. "Oh but it's actually ok in this case." is a totally different point that is irrelvant here. Fertile ground for conspiracy where there need be none is fertile ground. Donald and Neera for two of many examples have exploited that fertile ground for personal political gain. Condemn both for their craven and vile dishonesty. Fix the issues.

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by rspeele »

harry8 wrote: post #61
rspeele wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Any and all voting machines /must/ only ever be used to mark ballot papers that are filed in the usual way and can be counted in the usual way if there is any doubt whatsoever. I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the machines used in this election do. Some counties use touchscreen ballot marking devices that print a ballot for scanning, others have the voter fill out their ballot with a pen and then feed that into…

Have voting machines shifted completely to 100% of them being machines used to mark traditional ballots that are stored and can be recounted in the traditional way? "Pretty sure" isn't the appropriate standard for an election. If not it's not close to being good enough and muddies the waters. All of them /must/ be. Without exception. Every single encroachment of the integrity of and understandability election affects…

You're correct that "pretty sure" isn't the appropriate standard for an election. However, "pretty sure" isn't the standard any state uses to approve voting machines, just the standard I use to post comments on HN. And indeed, I was WRONG.

https://verifiedvoting.org/verifier/#mode/navigate/map/ppEqu...

The dark red category is "DREs without VVPAT for all voters". That's direct-recording electronic voting machines, without voter-verified paper audit trail. The voter enters their vote on a touchscreen and doesn't get to see the paper ballot that records it (and the recording may never be on paper at all). That sucks and I agree that type of machine should not be used.

I have to admit I was surprised that those machines are still allowed in any state. My research into the voting machines, thus far, had been focused entirely on the swing states in this election -- because those are where the Trump campaign and allies have alleged fraud. Those are Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. None of those use DREs without VVPAT, and Nevada is the only one that uses DREs at all instead of BMDs or hand-marked ballots with a scanner.

But I get your point. After all, a voter in Louisiana who voted for Trump on a DRE could make the (reasonable enough) assumption that the machines are the same everywhere else, and be more susceptible to the claim that Dominion machines stole the election undetectably in Georgia.

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by myrandomcomment »

The opening of suit is priceless.

“The Earth is round. Two plus two equals four. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 election for President and Vice President of the United States. The election was not stolen, rigged, or fixed. These are facts. They are demonstrable and irrefutable.

Defendants have always known these facts. They knew Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 U.S. election. They knew the election was not stolen. They knew the election was not rigged or fixed. They knew these truths just as they knew the Earth is round and two plus two equals four.”

https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/02/04/what-smartmatics-giul...

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by stonesixone »

ibejoeb wrote: post #3

> Smartmatic accused Rupert Murdoch’s network of promoting a false narrative about the 2020 election I can't wait to see the evidence. That'll prove that the devices are auditable. They are, right? If anyone in government really wants to have a notable legacy, here's how: petition the USDS to create an integrated open-source election system, and get people like Matt Blaze and Harri Hursti to run a red team against it…

> If anyone in government really wants to have a notable legacy, here's how: petition the USDS to create an integrated open-source election system, and get people like Matt Blaze and Harri Hursti to run a red team against it.

Check out the nonprofit VotingWorks, which is far along in already doing this: https://github.com/votingworks For example, their system has been used in Mississippi in real elections.

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by dmatech »

jimjimjim wrote: post #19

There must be repercussions for lies. There must be. It's not a free speech issue.

The lies need to do demonstrable harm to someone (and be about that someone) in order for it to be defamation. Lies that just "make the world a worse place" are much harder to deal with.

For instance, in the Snyder v. Phelps case, all sorts of nasty (and probably untrue) things were said, yet SCOTUS ruled in favor of Phelps.

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by stephenr »

vlang1dot0 wrote: post #31
Errsher wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can use homomorphic encryption that allows the vote (after-the-fact) to be auditable but secure and allows individuals to validate that their vote was counted accurately. Microsoft has a project that seems to work in this direction: https://github.com/microsoft/electionguard

Ah yes, the average citizen will definitely trust that "homomorphic encryption" isn't just some nonsense made up so the election can be rigged.

I’d wager money that “homomorphic” gets interpreted as “gay power rangers” by easily 30% of the voting public in the United States.

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by supertrope »

ashneo76 wrote: post #7

To all the naysayers, is there any other way to hold fox accountable for all the propaganda and division that they have down for that 5 years at least? And to hold rupert murdoch accountable?

Cancel your cable TV subscription.

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by JeremyBanks »

ibejoeb wrote: post #3

> Smartmatic accused Rupert Murdoch’s network of promoting a false narrative about the 2020 election I can't wait to see the evidence. That'll prove that the devices are auditable. They are, right? If anyone in government really wants to have a notable legacy, here's how: petition the USDS to create an integrated open-source election system, and get people like Matt Blaze and Harri Hursti to run a red team against it…

Dang, you've got a lot of insurrection apologists in your disgusting community. You complicit sack of shit.

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by jjeaff »

barbacoa wrote: post #53
jandrese wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whatabboutism sure came quick. Dude, you messed up the playbook. Deny first then deflect. Or were there too many sources posted and you thought the denial would look silly? Also, put up or shut up. Find a legal case where an NBC, ABC, PBS, Washington Post, NYT, etc... reporter uses the "I only broadcast opinions so the truth doesn't matter" defense. I'm waiting.

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So did Rachel Maddow devote hours and hours of air time repeating her conspiracy theory over and over and bring on multiple supposed experts to also reassert the claim even after it was debunked?

Or did she say it one time?

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