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Re: Help users in Iran reconnect to Signal

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... Creating a central point of failure / censorship?

Yeah so this latest attempt seems to want to “fix” that. “Hey, let’s distribute connections (proxy servers) to our central point of failure so that we can get around the central point of failure. Genius!” /s

They want to have a monopoly on points of failure. We can censor but no one else.

Re: Help users in Iran reconnect to Signal

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> You're welcome to either use such a decentralised service or fork signal and add decentralisation / federation. It's called XMPP. It predates Signal by ~15 years.

And the clients for XMPP still suck, 15 years later. You might find a good one on one OS after trying out several (install, test for a few days, repeat), but then when you want a client on your phone or another OS, you have to try the install/test cycle all over again. In my experience, most of the clients just don’t do WEll everything a modern IM client needs.... group chat without needing to know a FQDN address, al…

Conversations and it's forks are all very good clients, and their voice/video chat works perfectly once the XMPP server configures the turn server. Gajim got a lot better recently. I even managed to get Pidgin to a decent, albeit not perfect level.

Re: Help users in Iran reconnect to Signal

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Hi, from Iran with love! First of all, thank you moxie and signal team for this proxy. Until 2018, many Iranians used telegram but Iran's regime after Russia blocked this messenger. telegram released mtproxy and this proxy was helpful. Russia lifted the ban on telegram but this app is still blocked on my country. but with VPNs, many iranians still use this app. after 2018, second most popular messaging app in iran wa…

I'm surprised that Tor isn't integrated already. Moxie was pushing that at Twitter - a prototype was even built.

Re: Help users in Iran reconnect to Signal

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> You're welcome to either use such a decentralised service or fork signal and add decentralisation / federation. It's called XMPP. It predates Signal by ~15 years.

And yet it hasn't become big yet.

It did, then the google reader effect kicked in. Google talk, whatsapp, facebook were all xmpp at one point, deliberately crippled, then nearly killed. See RSS.

Re: Help users in Iran reconnect to Signal

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In light of all the government Internet shut downs in the past years, I’m very curious to see the impact of star link and other Connection methods that might bypass geographic restrictions. Will SpaceX and other service providers shut down access when local governments request it? If not,Will the governments ask on a perceived threat to stability

I’m betting hard against a big corporation like SpaceX to do the right thing. By nature, a corporation’s sole purpose is to follow the money and make as much of it as possible.

Take a look at Activision/Blizzard bending the knee to China to avoid losing its Chinese user base.

Re: Help users in Iran reconnect to Signal

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We see again and again that Americans hate freedom of speech. So what is this but a power play? They want people to use controlled platforms where only American-approved activism is allowed. Actions that destabilize an enemy regime. Iranians who use Signal are American proxy forces. By definition it is treason.

Iranians who use Signal are Iranians. Your statement is premised on the Iranian government having absolute authority to surveil the communications of Iranian citizens. By that logic, any from of end-to-end encrypted communication is treason. You might as well say that Iranian citizens have no general right to privacy and any expectation of such is also treason.

Signal is American controlled. Encryption in general is not.

Re: Help users in Iran reconnect to Signal

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Almost everyone in these comments is asking questions of various degrees of pedantry or outright dissing signal/moxie/no federation/whatever... Just spin up a server if you can spare the expense and help some people out. Action > inaction. edit: you can get the connection details via @appliedlambdas on twitter!

Talk is cheap.

Re: Help users in Iran reconnect to Signal

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It is indeed. Iran does not shy away from blocking large swaths of the internet in order to make sure the parts they want blocked will remain blocked. For example, before 2009, there were specific blogs on wordpress.com which were blocked and making sure the content the government wanted inaccessible would remain inaccessible had turned into a whack-a-mole game. In 2009, they simply blocked the entirety of Wordpress,…

> It is indeed. Iran does not shy away from blocking large swaths of the internet > ran would not hesitate to block all AWS IP addresses as a solution DNS will not resolve any .ir (.coms that are iranian) domains here in US, afaikt.

Not at all true. Try http://www.president.ir/en

Re: Help users in Iran reconnect to Signal

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its weird that all the criticisms of the technique in this article is being downvoted without any rebuttal people underestimate the security intelligence service of countries in this region. They have far more capacity than people in the West estimate. It's irresponsible of HN to put people in potential harms way, Iran is at a breaking point, they have nothing to lose and will stop at nothing to stop exfiltration and…

yes. back after 5 august, i think i got my first crack at internet in february 2020 with 2G internet and a whitelist of "allowed websites". i found out in my own tests that ssh tunneling over random ports used to work. i had managed to set up a server on amazon aws, and i did a dirty ssh tunnel to that to get access to blocked websites. even that failed after some tries and changing networks. >It's irresponsible of H…

I think people on HN are mostly North Americans, they are generally very ignorant of the workings outside their own suburbs/city (we live in the best part of the world they say!)

So there is this bias towards other 3rd world countries. To many they are still a backwards, technologically illiterate countries yet somehow North Korea routinely dominates other wealthier nations in cyber security.

India's intelligence agency has always been competing with Pakistani, very much like the Iranian security forces & Israeli intelligence, these guys have been fighting battles the rest of the world will never hear about, so its foolish to underestimate their capabilities like we do on HN.

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