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Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by tolbish »

5560675260 wrote: post #468
tolbish wrote: post #432

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How is the difference precisely political when all claims of a fraudulent US election were proven to be false? Facts are a matter of opinion now?

AFAIK all relevant court cases were dismissed and didn't go into discovery. There is an opinion that all of the cases were baseless. There is an opinion that judges saw where the wind blows and took an easy way out. Since we're not going to see any serious investigation, you can pick whichever you like.

None of the dozens of cases were based on evidence, so of course they were dismissed. Judges don't just throw them out because they "see where the wind blows".

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Post by skynet-9000 »

Griffinsauce wrote: post #465
darepublic wrote: post #192

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Well a real free speech platform should apply strict automatic moderating rules to political threads and basically tease out the best arguments from all sides,

That is not free speech. That could be called something like "quality speech". With free speech, as defined now, low quality arguments hit the same bar as high quality ones. Yes we should strive to emphasise high quality arguments (even though I fear this is a near impossible task programmatically) but this is not what free speech means. Tldr: according to free speech the dummies and assholes deserve to be heard.

I think HN strives to achieve this (as you point out, very high bar) and does a pretty good job with it overall. I do believe that dang's and the moderator teams' light touch has really aided a free-ranging discussion among people of wildly divergent viewpoints, and I for one appreciate this dynamic.

That we're even having such a high-quality discussion now really speaks volumes to the seemingly effortless way in which the HN team has developed into a great place to have such a conversation or debate. To be honest, I do not think that HN is always fair to everyone, but it does seem like the moderators do try to be.

With that said: Twitter and FB have wildly missed the mark.

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by tptacek »

throwaway19937 wrote: post #412
someguydave wrote: post #410

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AWS also did not give Parler any time to cure their problems after making it clear that they wanted to terminate the contract for problematic content.

According to https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/29095511/13/parler-llc-... it took several months of moderation problems before AWS dropped Parler as a client.

Not only that, but Parler ran directly afoul of contract provisions they agreed to that specifically gave AWS the right to terminate without notice. People making these arguments about Parler's relationship with AWS don't seem to have actually read the AWS terms.

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Post by tptacek »

skynet-9000 wrote: post #135
riffic wrote: post #128

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> Parler should not have been de-platformed You obviously did not see the material that the company allowed to be posted on their services in contravention to their hosting provider's terms of services. Always abide by your host's AUP. Otherwise, you can get yeeted.

> You obviously did not see the material that the company allowed to be posted on their services in contravention to their hosting provider's terms of services. Always abide by your host's AUP. AWS AUP: "You may not use.. or instruct others to use, the Services.. for any.. offensive use" "Offensive"? That word is so vague as to be meaningless. This turns into a dangerously simple attack. Just post something you know…

When Parler reviewed the AWS terms, the vagueness of "offensiveness" would have been a good reason for them (of all companies) not to select AWS as a hosting platform. Anyone who pays attention to this space could have warner Parler; similar things have happened to other sites, like Gab, on AWS. They weren't diligent, they selected a provider incompatible with their business goals, and they suffered the consequences.

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Post by skynet-9000 »

throwaway19937 wrote: post #412
someguydave wrote: post #410

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AWS also did not give Parler any time to cure their problems after making it clear that they wanted to terminate the contract for problematic content.

According to https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/29095511/13/parler-llc-... it took several months of moderation problems before AWS dropped Parler as a client.

According to Amazon. Parler has vociferously disputed this.

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Post by vkou »

stickfigure wrote: post #441
vkou wrote: post #305

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I want to remind you that the military are supposed to take orders from their commander in chief - who, on January 6th, was Donald Trump. Neither January 6th, nor in Athens would a mob rush the chambers of government to install God-King Billy Rando, who nobody has heard of. Coups only work when the person benefiting from them already has a large amount of civilian and political, and sometimes, but not always, militar…

> I want to remind you that the military are supposed to take orders from their commander in chief The military (at least here in the US) swears allegiance to the Constitution, not the president. And they were very clear about broadcasting that the military was not going to interfere in domestic politics.

They don't take orders from a piece of paper, they take orders from the president.

If the sitting president were affirmed by congress, they would have to continue taking orders from him.

Militaries not interfering in domestic politics is one way that coups can succeed. They stand on the side lines, let the power struggle happen, and then take direction from the winner.

You seem to think that it would be obvious to everyone who the winner would be, regardless of what would happen. You are ignoring a very loud, heavily armed, rather large part of the population (both in the streets, and in congress) to whom it was obvious that Trump was the legitimate winner.

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Post by skynet-9000 »

rodone wrote: post #179
skynet-9000 wrote: post #158

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Amazon claims this, and Parler disputes that this was brought to their attention. (it's not easy to ramp up moderation overnight -- and FB/Twitter have consistently had far worse, even with far larger moderation teams.)

Doing just easy things isn't much of a business model.

How many years did Twitter exist before hiring big teams of moderators?

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Post by skynet-9000 »

8note wrote: post #275
skynet-9000 wrote: post #158

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Amazon claims this, and Parler disputes that this was brought to their attention. (it's not easy to ramp up moderation overnight -- and FB/Twitter have consistently had far worse, even with far larger moderation teams.)

Removing the specific examples included in the complaint can't be that hard though. One person should be able to do it in a day or two

I agree, which makes Parler's dispute over Amazon's claimed timeline far more plausible to me.

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Post by skynet-9000 »

throwaway19937 wrote: post #408
skynet-9000 wrote: post #146

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I'm not sure what you mean by that. I read the AWS response. Nothing there seemed to be much worse than I've seen on Twitter (actually, Twitter stuff was far worse). Regardless, this is besides the point: all a competitor has to do is post some garbage and point to it, and boom, you're dead. That's not ok.

> Nothing there seemed to be much worse than I've seen on Twitter (actually, Twitter stuff was far worse). https://i.redd.it/om90nwadqca61.png is a Parler post with a racial slur and 25k upvotes. Twitter has its issues but an equivalent comment isn't going to survive two days. The court documents from their case against Amazon are available at https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/29095511/parler-llc-v-a... . Amazon's…

Yeah, that's a disgusting comment and it's far worse that it received upvotes if that screenshot is accurate. Nevertheless, it is legal free speech, even if it makes me very angry.

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Post by skynet-9000 »

watwut wrote: post #287
skynet-9000 wrote: post #146

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I'm not sure what you mean by that. I read the AWS response. Nothing there seemed to be much worse than I've seen on Twitter (actually, Twitter stuff was far worse). Regardless, this is besides the point: all a competitor has to do is post some garbage and point to it, and boom, you're dead. That's not ok.

> Regardless, this is besides the point: all a competitor has to do is post some garbage and point to it, and boom, you're dead. That's not ok. That is not what happened however. That is quite manipulative framing spread by Parler. What happened was that Amazon itself identified those few dozen posts and asked Parler to remove them. Parler did not done that and claimed it is difficult for them. Amazon is not Parlers…

This may be true. It wouldn't surprise me if Parler said "no" when asked to take them down, but I didn't see that even in Amazon's court filing.

However, I don't think Amazon should interfere in customers' businesses and harm the relationship between customers and third parties (the users). What if Amazon had said, "Netflix, we find the Cuties movie offensive. We have shut you off and will delete all of your data within 24 hours."

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