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Amazon Is Forcing Its Warehouse Workers into Brutal 'Megacycle' Shifts

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Re: Amazon Is Forcing Its Warehouse Workers into Brutal 'Megacycle' Shifts

#21
I actually left an early job because it didn't offer a 4x10.

4x10 is amazing. Your work days are your work days, but the extra day off is amazing. You can actually go do stuff.

My own view - everyone should switch to 4x10 or at least have it as an option.

Now I'm working crazy hours so all a dream anyways these days.

Note 4x10 shifts are not new in warehousing (or even in mfg).

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#22
US is reverting to early 20th century labor market norms, thanks to 'gig' economy and megacorps subverting unions. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/22/tech/amazon-nlrb-union-el... Only thing missing is union-busting Pinkerton thugs... https://www.npr.org/2020/11/30/940196997/amazon-reportedly-h...

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#23

American culture is optimized for consumers. When you're a consumer, it's a great thing: customer service, return policies, payment methods, and the entire process of buying stuff is leaps and bounds above somewhere like the European Union. When you're a worker, though, no one particularly cares about you. If a CEO can squeeze more profit out of his workforce by forcing them to work odd hours at the drop of a hat, he…

Where are you getting this great customer service? I'd like to get in on some of that.

American customer service is leaps and bounds above anything you get in Europe. And I don't mean restaurant service. Europe as a whole is much more worker-first than customer-first.

Re: Amazon Is Forcing Its Warehouse Workers into Brutal 'Megacycle' Shifts

#24

American culture is optimized for consumers. When you're a consumer, it's a great thing: customer service, return policies, payment methods, and the entire process of buying stuff is leaps and bounds above somewhere like the European Union. When you're a worker, though, no one particularly cares about you. If a CEO can squeeze more profit out of his workforce by forcing them to work odd hours at the drop of a hat, he…

Where are you getting this great customer service? I'd like to get in on some of that.

Service itself is pretty good compared to the EU. Consumer protection for goods however isn’t. Most products in the EU must come with a 2-year consumer warranty for example.

Re: Amazon Is Forcing Its Warehouse Workers into Brutal 'Megacycle' Shifts

#25

I actually left an early job because it didn't offer a 4x10. 4x10 is amazing. Your work days are your work days, but the extra day off is amazing. You can actually go do stuff. My own view - everyone should switch to 4x10 or at least have it as an option. Now I'm working crazy hours so all a dream anyways these days. Note 4x10 shifts are not new in warehousing (or even in mfg).

Presumably this was an office job? It might be a little different with a warehouse job that has very productivity targets set from above.

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#26

Serious question: if these jobs are so awful, and they do sound awful, why are people taking them? I can think of several possible answers, but I haven't the faintest clue which ones are (most) right.

Not everyone can be a professional. Companies like Amazon, Walmart and Monsanto squeeze out “mom and pop stores” so they can no longer compete and end up working for the man.

Re: Amazon Is Forcing Its Warehouse Workers into Brutal 'Megacycle' Shifts

#27

I actually left an early job because it didn't offer a 4x10. 4x10 is amazing. Your work days are your work days, but the extra day off is amazing. You can actually go do stuff. My own view - everyone should switch to 4x10 or at least have it as an option. Now I'm working crazy hours so all a dream anyways these days. Note 4x10 shifts are not new in warehousing (or even in mfg).

Is that better/worse with manual labor? In software dev, I tend to fluctuate how productive I can be for an extended period, so being useful (instead of just ass in seat) for 10 hours seems rough. Granted some days I go for 12 but that's unhealthy and mostly because I get into a groove I am not interested in breaking.

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post #8

That would be illegal in Germany: your regular work hours must not exceed 8hrs per day.

Really? That is interesting, although I can't say it would be preferable for me. I've had plenty of times when 4x10 was a good fit for my lifestyle. I've got a co-worker who currently does 3x12 and really seems to like it.

Re: Amazon Is Forcing Its Warehouse Workers into Brutal 'Megacycle' Shifts

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From September 2020 I had to work at an Amazon Warehouse in the UK. Nightshift. Our shifts were 4 x 10.5 with two 30 mins breaks (which you only got paid for one!) It was absolute shite and the toughest job I've ever done but, hey, I kept my roof over my head. It's not nice but unfortunately when you don't have a job and prospects suck then they hold all the cards :(

Thats not an accident. Offshoring and immigration have killed the ability of labor to walk when given terrible choices like this.

Are you really coming on HN to try and blame immigrants for this?

Do you know the kind of contributions immigrants have had in this industry? Do you know how important open immigration has been to the rise of tech?

Re: Amazon Is Forcing Its Warehouse Workers into Brutal 'Megacycle' Shifts

#30
post #2

This is a 4x10, 3rd shift schedule which is pretty normal for factory/warehouse jobs.

I don't think the point of the article was to normalize this schedule for 'factory workers'. To me, it's trying to say that this is an unhealthy way of life, and should not be implemented or tolerated in the workplace. Those people need better labor rights From the article: "Megacycle isn't not just bad for lifestyle reasons," a warehouse worker at a delivery station in Queens, New York and a member of the group Amaz…

Thats the point of the comment, to show counter argument/view.
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