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The reverse brain drain

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Re: The reverse brain drain

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Post by rrrazdan »

known wrote: post #26
dimmuborgir wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're talking about whether India has made progress from its own past. Why are you bringing former Soviet states for comparison?

Why shouldn't I compare India (born in 1947) with Soviet states (born in 1991)? Do HDI or Wikipedia or I need your permission?

Well because its absurd to call them born in 1991. Tomorrow if Catalonia or Basque nation were to secede or Scotland for that matter, would you call them born in 2011 in this context and then compare them with India?

Re: The reverse brain drain

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Post by JoachimSchipper »

known wrote: post #26
dimmuborgir wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're talking about whether India has made progress from its own past. Why are you bringing former Soviet states for comparison?

Why shouldn't I compare India (born in 1947) with Soviet states (born in 1991)? Do HDI or Wikipedia or I need your permission?

Because that is not the topic under discussion? We were talking about improvements in India, not absolute comparisons.

Re: The reverse brain drain

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Post by dimmuborgir »

known wrote: post #28
dimmuborgir wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you talking about? The UN's Millennium Development Goal (MDG) report says: "India is expected to reduce its poverty rate from 51 per cent in 1990 to 24 per cent in 2015, reducing its number of extremely poor by 188 million." http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?685779

As per BBC, 80% Indians surviving on 20 rupees/day http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6946800.stm

The article is old and it quotes an unnamed 'survey'.

I'm reminding you again, the discussion here is about progression of India from its own past but you're either coming up with figures for some particular year or some senseless comparison with other countries. In other words, you're simply trolling.

Re: The reverse brain drain

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Post by yummyfajitas »

known wrote: post #28
dimmuborgir wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you talking about? The UN's Millennium Development Goal (MDG) report says: "India is expected to reduce its poverty rate from 51 per cent in 1990 to 24 per cent in 2015, reducing its number of extremely poor by 188 million." http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?685779

As per BBC, 80% Indians surviving on 20 rupees/day http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6946800.stm

That's a typo, it's almost certainly meant to say 200 INR/day.

India's GDP per capita works out to be about 145 INR/day, so it's plausible that the 80'th percentile would be 33% higher than that. It's a little unlikely that the 80'th percentile would be 1/7 of that.

Re: The reverse brain drain

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Post by dimmuborgir »

known wrote: post #29
dimmuborgir wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any source that China is more conducive to small businesses than India?

http://doingbusiness.org/rankings China - 79 India - 134

I was asking with respect to bribery. The list you quoted takes a lot of other things like infrastructure, funding etc into consideration.

Re: The reverse brain drain

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Post by hessenwolf »

shii wrote: post #9

This is nothing unique to India btw. Check out all over east Africa for example of people who've done well in first world countries or just moderately well but have drive and ambition to start something back home. Common tale to hear about the merchant living lower middle class in USA but something of a legend and well off in north Kenyan cities trading and selling different wares, providing money transfer services,…

Or Ireland. Note to Indians: Invest your new prosperity; don't spend it.

Re: The reverse brain drain

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Post by hessenwolf »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #12
microarchitect wrote: post #3

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I'd like this to be true, but I can't help thinking that much of this is just wishful thinking. India has terrible infrastructure, which as far as I can make out is only getting worse. All-pervasive corruption is a big problem as well, as is the fact that _all_ (at least something like 85% or more) politicians are criminals. The (completely unscientific) impression I get is that things got better between 1995-2005 an…

I think you unscientific impression is leading you astray. India has its share of problems, and it has its share of corrupt politicians. But it also has a pretty robust democracy and part of what returnees are bringing home is an appreciation for governments that work vs ones that don't. And when the people don't tolerate an ineffective government they change it. The other thing India is, is big. There is a lot of co…

Do you mean a threat to China's status as leading economic power, or a threat to China? Improvements in productivity help all of us, because we make more stuff to share around; it is not a zero sum game.

Re: The reverse brain drain

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Post by braindead_in »

I would be nice to survey these returnees for their satisfaction levels after 10 years or so. Theoretically speaking, given India's growth rate, you'd assume that people will grow rich faster than if they had stayed back in US. It would be interesting to see how many actually did.
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