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Coronavirus is in the air – there’s too much focus on surfaces

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Post by rkhassen9 »

nlh wrote: post #9

I predict we’re going to look back at ourselves in a few years and find a few things particularly egregious, much as we look back at “smoking is good for your health!” ads from the 1950s: 1. Our early guidance that masks don’t help (because we needed to save the real masks for healthcare workers); and 2. Our collective obsession around Mar-Apr 2020 with surface disinfecting. The shortage on Clorox wipes, the obsessiv…

We were dealing with the unknown and with deadly consequences. The behavior was correct for the situation. And when we got better information, hopefully we adjusted.

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Post by AareyBaba »

hanklazard wrote: post #2

Anecdotally, as someone who works in a clinic where we test for COVID-19 much of the day (and have multiple positive patient tests per day), I can tell you that this editorial certainly seems correct. Even with our caution with PPE, I’m certain that we would have had a major outbreak among staff over the past year if this thing was transmitting efficiently via fomite—it’s just too difficult to use perfect form 100% o…

fomite: objects or materials which are likely to carry infection, such as clothes, utensils, and furniture.

Re: Coronavirus is in the air – there’s too much focus on surfaces

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Post by cortesoft »

war1025 wrote: post #106
cortesoft wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We have the data now Yeah, we have the data that 447,000 Americans have been killed by Covid. That is data.

Honestly, death comes to us all. My dad died five years ago this week. Death is tragic, but the world keeps moving. The main thing I've concluded based on people's reaction to the death tolls is that much of our population has not come to terms with their mortality and hate being reminded of it.

This is strange logic... since we all are going to die anyway, we shouldn't worry about causes of preventable death?

So i guess we don't need drunk driving laws... only about 10,000 people a year die in the US from drunk drivers, they were going to die anyway. The world keeps on moving.

No reason to work on curing cancer. Dead someday anyway.

Yes, death comes to us all. That has no bearing on whether we should work to prevent death.

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Post by war1025 »

cortesoft wrote: post #113
war1025 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, death comes to us all. My dad died five years ago this week. Death is tragic, but the world keeps moving. The main thing I've concluded based on people's reaction to the death tolls is that much of our population has not come to terms with their mortality and hate being reminded of it.

This is strange logic... since we all are going to die anyway, we shouldn't worry about causes of preventable death? So i guess we don't need drunk driving laws... only about 10,000 people a year die in the US from drunk drivers, they were going to die anyway. The world keeps on moving. No reason to work on curing cancer. Dead someday anyway. Yes, death comes to us all. That has no bearing on whether we should work t…

I just looked up the CDC data and it says ~0.7% of the US population dies each year. Out of ~330 million people, that's 2.4 million people each year.

So assuming that 400k figure is excess mortality, that means 17% more people died last year than normal.

That is tragic, but the way it gets talked about, you would think we were at 10x or more.

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Post by Capira »

mikeyouse wrote: post #6
Capira wrote: post #4

A group of renown epidemiologists from Stanford, Oxford and Harvard demand: "Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal." http://gbdeclaration.org/

Lol “renowned epidemiologists” who insisted the total US mortality would remain under 100k deaths. These clowns can be safely ignored.

According to the CDC, the total number of deaths caused by Covid is about 6% of the people who died with a positive test result.

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Post by gruez »

elchief wrote: post #52

everyone on /r/china_flu and /r/wuhan_flu has known this since late 2019 IIRC the intial evidence was COVID transmission between apartments in Hong Kong via the ventilation system

> everyone on /r/china_flu and /r/wuhan_flu has known this since late 2019

are you sure you're not misremembering? I just checkend and both subreddits were created in late janurary 2020.

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Post by nikolay »

BenoitEssiambre wrote: post #96

It's been a year now, why can't I buy a N95 mask?

You can - on eBay! But prepare to pay $5+/piece (over $10 and even $20 for 3M ones). Meanwhile, supposedly, price gouging was supposed to be persecuted. There are lots of KN95 fakes, by the way. There are tons of KF94 authentic ones on Amazon.

Re: Coronavirus is in the air – there’s too much focus on surfaces

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Post by gruez »

christophilus wrote: post #72
dataflow wrote: post #69

This has been on the CDC website for quite a while now: "Currently there is no evidence that people can get COVID-19 by eating or handling food ." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/...

Wasn't the original source some folks in Wuhan eating bats? Has that been debunked? Edit: That wasn't meant to be snarky. It really does seem to be a contradictory bit of evidence.

You mean bat soup, aka bats that have been boiled in water for at least several minutes? Eating the prepared product is probably not an issue. Butchering and/or being near them before they were killed on the other hand...

Re: Coronavirus is in the air – there’s too much focus on surfaces

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Post by loyukfai »

elchief wrote: post #52

everyone on /r/china_flu and /r/wuhan_flu has known this since late 2019 IIRC the intial evidence was COVID transmission between apartments in Hong Kong via the ventilation system

The stack effect is problematic in HK whereas there are a lot of high-rise apartments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stack_effect

Also, it's been spread via poorly maintained drainage systems.

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