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Coronavirus is in the air – there’s too much focus on surfaces

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A group of renown epidemiologists from Stanford, Oxford and Harvard demand: "Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal." http://gbdeclaration.org/

Who on that list is a "renown epidemiologist"?

Re: Coronavirus is in the air – there’s too much focus on surfaces

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A group of renown epidemiologists from Stanford, Oxford and Harvard demand: "Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal." http://gbdeclaration.org/

Lol “renowned epidemiologists” who insisted the total US mortality would remain under 100k deaths. These clowns can be safely ignored.

You're not factoring in president 45's incompetent handling of the pandemic as it spread through the US. The number "100,000" might have been a realistic figure as long as reopening hadn't been too premature.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol “renowned epidemiologists” who insisted the total US mortality would remain under 100k deaths. These clowns can be safely ignored.

You're not factoring in president 45's incompetent handling of the pandemic as it spread through the US. The number "100,000" might have been a realistic figure as long as reopening hadn't been too premature.

> as long as reopening hadn't been too premature

The Barrington folks were among those pushing for that premature reopening. It's their whole thing.

Re: Coronavirus is in the air – there’s too much focus on surfaces

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I predict we’re going to look back at ourselves in a few years and find a few things particularly egregious, much as we look back at “smoking is good for your health!” ads from the 1950s: 1. Our early guidance that masks don’t help (because we needed to save the real masks for healthcare workers); and 2. Our collective obsession around Mar-Apr 2020 with surface disinfecting. The shortage on Clorox wipes, the obsessiv…

1. Was just a flat out lie by various public health officials that they justified for the greater good. It was probably the biggest and easiest-to-prevent mistake of the pandemic, and it certainly cost many lives.

2. It still makes sense to wash hands, use gloves, and wipe down anything coming into your house that was recently touched by strangers. There's no good reason to allow a known vector, even if it's lower risk than airborne.

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I predict we’re going to look back at ourselves in a few years and find a few things particularly egregious, much as we look back at “smoking is good for your health!” ads from the 1950s: 1. Our early guidance that masks don’t help (because we needed to save the real masks for healthcare workers); and 2. Our collective obsession around Mar-Apr 2020 with surface disinfecting. The shortage on Clorox wipes, the obsessiv…

It’s not even necessarily close proximity: “Infected after 5 minutes, from 20 feet away: South Korea study shows coronavirus’ spread indoors” https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-12-09/five-m...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol “renowned epidemiologists” who insisted the total US mortality would remain under 100k deaths. These clowns can be safely ignored.

None of the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration said anything of the sort. This kind of çomment is unhelpful and uncharitable. It's an ad hominem attack.

If you want to play the childish “list off logical fallacies” game, the original post was an appeal to authority. Feel free to read up on all the “amazing” work done by the signatories and their colleagues at Hoover and other beclowned institutions but whats the point of litigating something that’s been so conclusively proven already.

Re: Coronavirus is in the air – there’s too much focus on surfaces

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol “renowned epidemiologists” who insisted the total US mortality would remain under 100k deaths. These clowns can be safely ignored.

None of the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration said anything of the sort. This kind of çomment is unhelpful and uncharitable. It's an ad hominem attack.

No, but two of the 3 lead signatories claim that Sweden is a model for COVID response, despite Sweden having more COVID-related deaths and serious cases of COVID than all of its neighbors combined...

Re: Coronavirus is in the air – there’s too much focus on surfaces

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post #11
post #4

A group of renown epidemiologists from Stanford, Oxford and Harvard demand: "Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal." http://gbdeclaration.org/

Who on that list is a "renown epidemiologist"?

Sunetra Gupta is a professor of epidemiology at Oxford University: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunetra_Gupta

Jay Bhattacharya is a professor of Medicine at Stanford University, and a long-time researcher into public health policy: https://profiles.stanford.edu/jay-bhattacharya

Martin Kulldorff is a professor of medicine at Harvard University and Brigham and Women's Hospital, with a long history of research into epidemiological models: https://www.dfhcc.harvard.edu/insider/member-detail/member/m...

All of the authors are respected academics in the field of medicine, health policy and epidemiology.

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