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How Yevgeny Zamyatin shaped dystopian fiction

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Re: How Yevgeny Zamyatin shaped dystopian fiction

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"We" by Zamyatin is one of the best books I read all of last year. It's out of copy right, so freely downloadable too. Found it much more compelling than either a brave new world or 1984, even though both those books are also great. "We" seemed much more coherent and thought through.

Reading his back story makes this even more interesting, given that he was living in a totalitarian state. I'd recommend reading his Wikipedia entry too.

In short: highly recommended reading.

Re: How Yevgeny Zamyatin shaped dystopian fiction

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"We" by Zamyatin is one of the best books I read all of last year. It's out of copy right, so freely downloadable too. Found it much more compelling than either a brave new world or 1984, even though both those books are also great. "We" seemed much more coherent and thought through. Reading his back story makes this even more interesting, given that he was living in a totalitarian state. I'd recommend reading his Wi…

I read it in college for a science fiction class. It was amazing. Orwell also thought so(https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2009/jun/08/geor...).

Re: How Yevgeny Zamyatin shaped dystopian fiction

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>While Wells, Huxley and Orwell invented flawed worlds, the Soviet writer was living in one.

Forgive me if I am reading too much into this, but the tagline for this article feels weird to me. It feels weird because it implies that the "worlds" of Wells, Huxley, and Orwell were without flaw. Was western civilization in the early 20th century really without flaw? Isn't every great dystopian work essentially a thought experiment where the author analytically deducts the endgame of the most pathological tendencies of the society they belong to? I get where they are coming from, but I think this idea that America was perfect in the earth 20th century really needs to be fought against. Don't get me wrong, there were many great things that happened during that period of time, but implying that it was without flaw makes the dystopian conversation about nationality rather than the universality of human imperfection and how that is reflected in the greater society, often insidiously.

Anyways, I'm definitely going to pick up a copy of 'We' after reading this. I love dystopian novels and had no idea 'We' was the originator. I think the idea of dystopia is closely related to science fiction, both could be considered a subset of stories that project what the future or some alternate timeline might be like. I think the really cool thing about dystopian stories is that they can act as a sort of crystal ball where humanity can glimpse a gestalt of its potential future and make decisions based on that. For example, in Lord of the Rings, Frodo is shown visions of the Shire should he fail his mission. These visions provide a deep sense of motivation for Frodo's grueling mission to Mount Doom, and without the memory of his love for the Shire (which was reinforced by Samwise towards the end) it's likely that Frodo would have succumbed to the power of the ring and failed to destroy it. I think that 1984, Brave New World, War of the Worlds, We, and novels like this perform a similar function for the collective conscious of humanity. The only difference is that we are all collectively Frodo's and Sam's, the one ring is our own self-destructive pathology, and the Shire is the purity of conscious creation from which we originally emerged.

Re: How Yevgeny Zamyatin shaped dystopian fiction

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"We" by Zamyatin is one of the best books I read all of last year. It's out of copy right, so freely downloadable too. Found it much more compelling than either a brave new world or 1984, even though both those books are also great. "We" seemed much more coherent and thought through. Reading his back story makes this even more interesting, given that he was living in a totalitarian state. I'd recommend reading his Wi…

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/61963

Re: How Yevgeny Zamyatin shaped dystopian fiction

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"We" by Zamyatin is one of the best books I read all of last year. It's out of copy right, so freely downloadable too. Found it much more compelling than either a brave new world or 1984, even though both those books are also great. "We" seemed much more coherent and thought through. Reading his back story makes this even more interesting, given that he was living in a totalitarian state. I'd recommend reading his Wi…

Yes, one of my all time favorites.

Re: How Yevgeny Zamyatin shaped dystopian fiction

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"We" by Zamyatin is one of the best books I read all of last year. It's out of copy right, so freely downloadable too. Found it much more compelling than either a brave new world or 1984, even though both those books are also great. "We" seemed much more coherent and thought through. Reading his back story makes this even more interesting, given that he was living in a totalitarian state. I'd recommend reading his Wi…

Is there any specific translation you'd recommend?

Re: How Yevgeny Zamyatin shaped dystopian fiction

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post #4

>While Wells, Huxley and Orwell invented flawed worlds, the Soviet writer was living in one. Forgive me if I am reading too much into this, but the tagline for this article feels weird to me. It feels weird because it implies that the "worlds" of Wells, Huxley, and Orwell were without flaw. Was western civilization in the early 20th century really without flaw? Isn't every great dystopian work essentially a thought e…

I think a better way of phrasing this would be "While Wells, Huxley and Orwell invented totalitarian worlds, the Soviet writer was living in one." Of course Western society had flaws, and that was part of the point of Wells, Huxley, and Orwell writing their dystopias, but Zamyatin was living in the sort of society British authors could only imagine in their dystopias.

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I've never heard Platonov mentioned in the West when it comes to Russian/USSR literature dealing with ideological totality. Probably Platonov's language is very hard to translate in the way preserving his sound. To me his https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Foundation_Pit is if one removed all the fictional elements from "We", removed even any [anti] glory of "dystopia" and any color, got down to the very ground, and what raw core left would be it. On some plane it is close, though much more brutal on the reader, to the Strugatskis' "Snail on the Slope".

Re: How Yevgeny Zamyatin shaped dystopian fiction

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"We" by Zamyatin is one of the best books I read all of last year. It's out of copy right, so freely downloadable too. Found it much more compelling than either a brave new world or 1984, even though both those books are also great. "We" seemed much more coherent and thought through. Reading his back story makes this even more interesting, given that he was living in a totalitarian state. I'd recommend reading his Wi…

Is there any specific translation you'd recommend?

Natasha Randall's is the best I've found. She's thoughtful in how she approaches grey areas of translation.
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