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Solid Project: All of your data, under your control

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Re: Solid Project: All of your data, under your control

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Post by _eqet »

cxr wrote: post #93
azinman2 wrote: post #33

This project is doomed in isolation. It needs to be coupled with at least one major popular/killer service, and preferably more than that. Plus make that as easy as uploading data to “the cloud,” and as transparent, plus “free” to meaningfully compete. Right now it just looks like technology in search of a problem.

> Right now it just looks like technology in search of a problem. This is a common turn of phrase (which has turned up more than once here, even), but it's not appropriate to describe Solid. Solid is a half-implemented solution to a real problem.

The whole internet was built on this concept. The Web technologies were built long before e-commerce or dating sites start using it

Re: Solid Project: All of your data, under your control

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Post by cxr »

_eqet wrote: post #121
cxr wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Right now it just looks like technology in search of a problem. This is a common turn of phrase (which has turned up more than once here, even), but it's not appropriate to describe Solid. Solid is a half-implemented solution to a real problem.

The whole internet was built on this concept. The Web technologies were built long before e-commerce or dating sites start using it

I'm not sure what you mean.

Re: Solid Project: All of your data, under your control

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Post by cratermoon »

anderspitman wrote: post #77
cratermoon wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The privacy aspects need more attention. There does need to be a neutral and trusted identity provider. It should be possible for the pod owner to control access via some kind of scope/role/policy setup. That's going to be complicated for most people. Using an example from elsewhere in this thread, I probably would want PhotoShop to be able to have full access to many (but not all) images my pod, but Instagram should…

I think federated identity is the way to go. Technically that's what we have now, ie every identity provider I'm aware of lets you reset your password via email, which is federated. But we tried federated and users didn't care. They want convenience. Maybe with privacy apparently picking up some public interest, we can try again.

> every identity provider I'm aware of lets you reset your password via email, which is federated

I'm not sure I understand what you're getting out. Federated identity is far more than self-service password reset. And as far as convenience goes, how many places do you use your google/github/facebook/linkedIn/twitter credentials to log into a third party? How convenient is that? That's identity federation. The problem is that those companies own your identity profile and use it for their purposes, not yours.

Re: Solid Project: All of your data, under your control

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Post by hinkley »

kthejoker2 wrote: post #18

I think something like this makes sense at some # of users closer to 10-20, or maybe even higher numbers, kind of monkeysphere / Dunbar's number level. That is, a smaller group of people (an extended family, a neighborhood street, a collective ... fine, a cult) band their resources together to pay for pod hardware to realize some savings / distributed back-up, and have "edge" apps for trusted sharing within the pod,…

My favorite example of this is image sharing for large extended families.

If most people thought about it, they don't actually want pictures of their kids all over Instagram, but it's a way to distribute them and, after a fashion, back them up. We don't have to worry about the matriarch's house burning down and taking out our photo archive with it. Or her clicking on a malware link and wiping it all out.

If they had a piece of software that wasn't designed for building a startup (deeply technical, highly fiddly), Uncle Bob and you and your nephew Timmy could host geographically redundant copies of the data that the group has access to.

Re: Solid Project: All of your data, under your control

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

pbronez wrote: post #96
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Solid seems like an idea that only makes sense if your key goal is allowing cloud providers to offer proprietary services that use your data, while still storing it elsewhere. But I'd say most people fall either into "I don't mind proprietary services holding my data" or "I want to self-host the preferably open source application and my data". I don't see the benefit of separating the two at all, and I think the only…

I really liked Sandstorm’s capability-based security model. Very cool concept for a team app server.

It really is. The challenge is it is tough to have that app support with it, everyone expects their apps to work the old way of doing things. ;)

Re: Solid Project: All of your data, under your control

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Post by volodymyrs »

angst_ridden wrote: post #52

What Solid really needs to do is create a page that I could show to my nontechnical friends where it explains how it works and what services/sites support it. Without those two things being front and center, I can't see Solid being anything more than a niche interest for technical folks.

At least for the services/sites/apps which support it, there is a page:

https://solidproject.org/apps

There are lot's of apps, most of them work just fine, which is quite inspiring.

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