Wayland is not ready as a 1:1 compatible Xorg replacement just yet

Post by littlestymaar » Tue, Feb 02, 2021, 11:23 AM UTC

Post by phkahler » Tue, Feb 02, 2021, 11:26 AM UTC

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #108

elric wrote: post #43

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> [...] reducing technical debt, improving security practices, etc Reducing technical debt by rewriting everything from scratch (almost?) never works. It's the baby and the bathwater. It's the sort of thing that seems attractive to junior developers, but more seasoned folks know that the legacy system contains years of embedded knowledge and workarounds for "real world" issues. The new, conceptually beautiful system…

> It's the sort of thing that seems attractive to junior developers, but more seasoned folks know that the legacy system contains years of embedded knowledge and workarounds for "real world" issues. Many seasoned Xorg developers work on Wayland. All the decades of lessons form Xorg _were_ carried over to Wayland.

Post by ric2b » Tue, Feb 02, 2021, 11:27 AM UTC

arp242 wrote: post #100

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> Xorg is 16 years old Xorg is a fork of Xfree86 which started in 1991 but feature parity minus the cruft has been reached years ago. Some people disagree about what is cruft however. For example, I view 90% of the list in the posted articles to be minor softwares relying on undesirable behaviour and unwilling to adapt (the remaining 10% being misrepresentation of actually solved issues listed in bad faith). The orig…

> How can people accept to use a display manager with constant screen tearing is beside me. I never even noticed it, and I never quite understood what people are on about with this. I had to go to YouTube to watch a demo video to see what it really looks like. And if I try it, then yes, I suppose I see some tearing if I move a window and pay close attention to it. But I never even noticed on my own, and am not bother…

Post by eitland » Tue, Feb 02, 2021, 11:28 AM UTC

simias wrote: post #96

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Firefox has treesyle tabs which has zero good alternatives on chrome. Tridacyl, vim like bindings for your browser + ability to bind javascript or native shell is more powerful than chrome alternatives. Chromium is losing google sync and chrome and chromium are Effectively destroying adblocking sooner or later courtesy of manifest v3. Ublock origin and treestyle tabs alone make a compelling case and are visually and…

Tridactyl is extremely quircky due to the limitations imposed to Web extensions though. I remember good old Vimperator to be more reliable. I get why they did it though, allowing extensions to effectively take over the browser sounds like a recipe for disaster. Too bad there isn't a way to opt into it when it's actually what you want.

Post by enriquto » Tue, Feb 02, 2021, 11:30 AM UTC

vetinari wrote: post #142

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> The author obviously hasn’t tried plugging a high dpi monitor in to a laptop if they don’t understand what’s wrong with X This is the only actual, honest, problem that I've ever seen about X. Still, it does not seem a really fundamental problem, it must surely be solvable from within X? Do we really need a full-rewrite of X, unstable, with new bugs and less functionalities? (many of us don't use "desktop" applicati…

> Still, it does not seem a really fundamental problem, it must surely be solvable from within X? X gives you two options: set DPI per displays. The thing is, you cannot drag windows between displays, the app has destroy it, connect to another one and recreate it here. There's even no mechanism to detect multiple displays other that user setting up the DISPLAY env variable. Or you can do, as the Xorg does: use multip…