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Re: Me and ADHD

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peteretep wrote: post #344
aneemzic wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I see this repeated often and I've never been able to find a source for it. I do not believe stimulant medications affect people with ADHD and without ADHD differently. I'm sorry but you clearly haven't even tried to research the subject, so I'm not surprised you don't believe it. People with ADHD have been scientifically proven to have deficiencies in specific neurotransmitters, namely norepinephrine and dopamine.…

Help me out with your superior Googling skills then please, as I've also tried to find evidence that for non-ADHD adults, taking ADHD medication in doses that it would have been prescribed, does something significantly different than it does to adults with ADHD. Happy to be shown I'm wrong, but my Googling skills had me coming up hands empty here.

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Re: Me and ADHD

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Post by brailsafe »

commandlinefan wrote: post #75

> hard time focusing on things that I don’t like or want to do Not trying to be insensitive, but doesn't that describe everybody? At what point does difficulty motivating yourself to do something unpleasant become an actual pathology? I identify with a lot of the symptoms he lists, but I've never thought that meant there was anything "wrong" with me, I thought everybody felt that way. Are there really people out ther…

There's been a few good responses, but for me, I saw a doctor when I was able to eliminate anything that would arguably be a distraction when I needed to finish my 95% finished essay 2 years ago. The subject was literally Byzantine in nature and all the hard parts were done, but If I recall, I just needed to do a tiny edit or summary to wrap it up. This was a final project worth around 30% of the grade. What might happen once you eliminate all ways to distract yourself, all anxieties etc.. is that you just get it done, because the value proposition is enough to stimulate you to do it. For me? I fell asleep, and idk how I did on it. What happens about a month into any new job? I gradually show up later and later. What happens 6 months into any job? I lose it.

I couldn't possibly read your comment as insensitive, because the opposite is on my mind every day. I fundamentally don't understand how people can consistently do most types of software engineering or any other kinds of boring office job, day in day out, because it's their job. It's so foreign, as to be a completely alien idea.

Re: Me and ADHD

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yotamoron wrote: post #385

ADHD, OCD, ADD etc are not things you can have - these are disorders, a collection of symptoms, diagnosed by consensus (no real objective testing that can validate that a patient has this disorder, its a questionnaire). I can say that having a purple hair and sleeping less then 6 hours a night is a Purple Hair Sleeping Disorder (PHSD). Bottom line is, we have no real idea what are the actual physical and mental cause…

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Re: Me and ADHD

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Post by brailsafe »

at_a_remove wrote: post #302

I am going to mention something. In my distant past I worked for a psychology firm handling, well, everything to do with computers. That included some testing. In the United States, there are two tests for ADHD I would vouch for: Conners' Continuous Performance Test (CPT) and the Test of Variables of Attention (TOVA). Both are computerized. Both rely solely on your reactions and your restraint, they are not questionn…

Could you elaborate by adding any relevant but legitimate links? The web is filled with all kinds of crap, and I'm sure that would be useful.

Re: Me and ADHD

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Post by yotamoron »

brailsafe wrote: post #389
yotamoron wrote: post #385

ADHD, OCD, ADD etc are not things you can have - these are disorders, a collection of symptoms, diagnosed by consensus (no real objective testing that can validate that a patient has this disorder, its a questionnaire). I can say that having a purple hair and sleeping less then 6 hours a night is a Purple Hair Sleeping Disorder (PHSD). Bottom line is, we have no real idea what are the actual physical and mental cause…

How does "Accepting ADHD as a thing" mean we're not digging deeper? Would it help if the collection of symptoms were totally disregarded? Since Cancer was discovered, has investment declined? How can you begin to ask if there's nothing to ask questions about? Side note: Most governments and most people didn't look too highly upon homosexuality, and we don't know everything about it, but things have changed and we hav…

Accepting ADHD as a thing, immediately means accepting all the so-called treatments for it (Concerta, Ritalin etc), which immediately creates a (huge) market, with market forces that will do everything possible to maintain the market alive and kicking - hence standing in the way of digging deeper.

Cancer is diagnosed in a very methodological and strict way, and the fact that we discovered it doesn't mean we discovered the cure for it (sadly, curing cancer is very hard).

I have no problem with ADHD being a defined disorder that we can ask questions about - as long as we understand that it is not a thing, cannot be objectively diagnosed (and therefore treatments are as vague as the diagnosis), and people cannot have it (the same way we have a flu or COVID-19).

About homosexuality - it was just an example of how the psychiatric bible - i.e., the DSM - can get things horribly wrong and therefore should be taken with a grain of salt.

Re: Me and ADHD

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Post by heavenlyblue »

wk_end wrote: post #190
renewiltord wrote: post #104

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Yeah, my first adderall came from a friend who uses it to party. I can't see how. It makes me much quieter. Partying on it is something I can't even imagine.

My personal experience was that dextroamphetamine helped my (pretty severe) social anxiety by calming me. I don't know if I'd call it "partying", but I've functioned much better at social gatherings when taking therapeutic doses of it. I've been considering trying to get a prescription for years, but I don't present most typical symptoms of ADD (maybe some inattentive ones?) so I suspect psychiatrists would be reluct…

> My personal experience was that dextroamphetamine helped my (pretty severe) social anxiety by calming me.

This is what Cocaine, MDMA or alcohol in reasonable doses would do to you. Stimulants generally do this to everyone.

Re: Me and ADHD

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Post by brailsafe »

TurkishPoptart wrote: post #166

>My 5 AM morning workout is probably the most important part of the routine since it helps with focus and letting out some energy. Damn, if you have the mental fortitude to get out of bed at that time, you're probably fine. Every time I wake up before my alarm, especially now when it's super cold, I instantly think of this Calvin and Hobbes single-panel classic: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/316729786269578409/

No kidding. I'm on a 5am bedtime cycle now.

Re: Me and ADHD

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Post by groo1 »

peteretep wrote: post #344
aneemzic wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I see this repeated often and I've never been able to find a source for it. I do not believe stimulant medications affect people with ADHD and without ADHD differently. I'm sorry but you clearly haven't even tried to research the subject, so I'm not surprised you don't believe it. People with ADHD have been scientifically proven to have deficiencies in specific neurotransmitters, namely norepinephrine and dopamine.…

Help me out with your superior Googling skills then please, as I've also tried to find evidence that for non-ADHD adults, taking ADHD medication in doses that it would have been prescribed, does something significantly different than it does to adults with ADHD. Happy to be shown I'm wrong, but my Googling skills had me coming up hands empty here.

Neurotransmitter reuptake behaves differently in ADHD and non-ADHD individuals. Medication affects the reuptake allowing the ADHD individual to function more normally. Transitioning from being a badly functioning individual to a normally functioning individual is not significant to you?

Re: Me and ADHD

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Post by brailsafe »

__saykou wrote: post #370

What about pomodoro technique. I have mild adhd and I have seen great results to just follow the rule of the pomodoro ( focus for 25 minutes and a daily TODO list) super simple but I have seen great results. It has improved my work and happiness. When I was a child/adult under education system I used these medications and they had a great effect I could concentrate on something and be interested for longer times, I p…

I've tried it, but don't understand what benefit it's supposed to have.
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