Wayland is not ready as a 1:1 compatible Xorg replacement just yet
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Re: Wayland is not ready as a 1:1 compatible Xorg replacement just yet
#12This is completely the opposite of my experience. I've been running Wayland on Pop OS since last year and it has been great. X11 had horrible tearing on external rotated screens - Wayland fixed that. Colour temperature changing works. Screensharing works just fine on Chrome and Firefox. I use it every day. Screen recording works with Gnome's built in recorder. I'm sure there are a few esoteric bits which don't work -…
Re: Wayland is not ready as a 1:1 compatible Xorg replacement just yet
#13I'm of the opposite opinion. Think twice before doing anything with X as the experience and knowledge you gain will soon be useless.
Instead invest in wayland, it works great and will only get better and X will only get worse at this point.
The pain points are few but yes, if you must have screen sharing with a particular app that doesn't work with wayland that might be a dealbreaker. If not, no reason to stay with X, pick a time when you are configuring a new computer or whenever it is a good time to make the switch and try it out.
Re: Wayland is not ready as a 1:1 compatible Xorg replacement just yet
#14I’m not sure there’s a legitimate case to be made against Wayland at all. The author seems to have installed it without understanding what it is.
Re: Wayland is not ready as a 1:1 compatible Xorg replacement just yet
#15Re: Wayland is not ready as a 1:1 compatible Xorg replacement just yet
#16This is completely the opposite of my experience. I've been running Wayland on Pop OS since last year and it has been great. X11 had horrible tearing on external rotated screens - Wayland fixed that. Colour temperature changing works. Screensharing works just fine on Chrome and Firefox. I use it every day. Screen recording works with Gnome's built in recorder. I'm sure there are a few esoteric bits which don't work -…
Re: Wayland is not ready as a 1:1 compatible Xorg replacement just yet
#17This is completely the opposite of my experience. I've been running Wayland on Pop OS since last year and it has been great. X11 had horrible tearing on external rotated screens - Wayland fixed that. Colour temperature changing works. Screensharing works just fine on Chrome and Firefox. I use it every day. Screen recording works with Gnome's built in recorder. I'm sure there are a few esoteric bits which don't work -…
Re: Wayland is not ready as a 1:1 compatible Xorg replacement just yet
#18Re: Wayland is not ready as a 1:1 compatible Xorg replacement just yet
#19This is a common sentiment, but it is kind of funny. Because software engineers working for companies will know the struggle of trying to justify reducing technical debt, improving security practices, etc. but fail to see why these things are useful to them personally when the tables turn.
Wayland indeed “breaks a lot of shit” but it’s not an accident or done due to incompetence. Also, it’s worth noting that since there is not one Wayland server the way there is one Xorg server, that not all of this applies evenly. For example, wlroots-based compositors like Sway do not suffer from the screen recording issues as Sway just supports a permissive screen recording API out of the box. I do think the XDG portal idea is a good idea, though, overall, and that the security improvements will be worth the toil eventually.
But more to the point, that the problem is that moving away from Xorg as a display server really needs to happen eventually. The legacy is holding back desktop Linux quite a lot. Issues like supporting modern high DPI displays or multi-GPU setups are ones that Xorg struggles with that Wayland can be made to handle more elegantly (in case of DPI, already does significantly.) It’s not just that. There’s tons of weird old crufty garbage in Xorg. Clipboard is weird. Drag and drop is weird. Wayland is simpler and makes improvements that are welcome, like a good API for keeping window configuration synchronized to help eliminate “imperfect” frames.
No doubt there are issues. I have some choice words about the decision of GNOME to push for using dbus to communicate cursor size changes on high DPI setups, and I do not like the way client side decorations are favored in Wayland.
Re: Wayland is not ready as a 1:1 compatible Xorg replacement just yet
#20This is completely the opposite of my experience. I've been running Wayland on Pop OS since last year and it has been great. X11 had horrible tearing on external rotated screens - Wayland fixed that. Colour temperature changing works. Screensharing works just fine on Chrome and Firefox. I use it every day. Screen recording works with Gnome's built in recorder. I'm sure there are a few esoteric bits which don't work -…
Firefox is quite buggy on Wayland, you need to set up some environment flags before launching it, and there's a trove of bugs still open for it.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=635134
> I'm sure there are a few esoteric bits which don't work
Like cut and paste between different kind of applications, which is an horrible user experience tbh.