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A 25-Year-Old Bet Comes Due: Has Tech Destroyed Society?

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Re: A 25-Year-Old Bet Comes Due: Has Tech Destroyed Society?

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It destroyed the average Joe's faith in the average Joe. Now, people are more separated than ever, in their echo chambers, hating each other and firmly believing they are better and righter than the other.

I think that is not the fault of tech. It's always PEBKAC, forever and ever.

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#172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I typically avoid the streisand effect by not reacting when something has attention, and then subsequently removing all references to it months later. Nobody important/loud enough notices.

My strategy is to never do anything noteworthy.

If that works to sustain your lifestyle, way to go.

Hasn't been the reality for me. I would prefer to be behind the scenes but that's not whats always been the case. I like the financial outcome though.

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#173

Without ending up on an FBI watchlist, let's just say, for the sake of argument, that Sales and "Uncle Ted" were on the right track about technology inevitably leading toward psychic isolation and environmental devastation, that corporations are finding ways to turn each human interaction into a commodity, that we're well beyond carrying capacity for the planet and have likely screwed up the ecology for the next mill…

My comment really doesn't even do your comment justice, but... It really made me think about that scene from the Matrix where Agent Smith described humans as a cancer. There are just so many possible perspectives on it all.

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#174
post #5

He may have lost his bet, but maybe he came close. 2020 was the closest I’ve come to feeling that society was collapsing.

The problems of 2020 weren't rooted in tech, however.

are airplanes tech? can a virus spread around the world easily without planes, trains, and automobiles?

Can people be super dependent on a financial system if it weren't digital?

Even government—people had more freedom under a low-tech monarchy than a high-tech democracy. Can't enforce too many laws when law enforcement doesn't have vehicles or phones.

Re: A 25-Year-Old Bet Comes Due: Has Tech Destroyed Society?

#175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't get people I am close with to even consider engaging in conversations about firmly held beliefs they have if I even remotely present myself as possibly holding a different opinion.

Same. I want to start a club of people like us. At a library with a coffee shop and bar included. Bunch of us philosophical peeps chillin and talking shit but nobody gets mad. I would love such a paradise.

Consider looking if there's a LessWrong meetup nearby? The wiki has a list.

edit: Probably better after Covid.

Re: A 25-Year-Old Bet Comes Due: Has Tech Destroyed Society?

#177
The only peoples left after the full collapse of technological society will not be those living in concrete and steel towers in the megacities of the west or east. It will be those that are living in the Serengeti, or those in south India, who have lived the way they have lived for thousands of years, whilst those in the megacities strived for decades to 'save' from their 'backward and primitive ways'.

Re: A 25-Year-Old Bet Comes Due: Has Tech Destroyed Society?

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post #5

He may have lost his bet, but maybe he came close. 2020 was the closest I’ve come to feeling that society was collapsing.

You must be quite young. 2020 is a minor blip on the huge ups and downs over the past 2 centuries.

The only way I could fathom "society collapsing" is if I felt the interactions you see on the internet were an accurate reflection of society at large. It's not - not even close.

Re: A 25-Year-Old Bet Comes Due: Has Tech Destroyed Society?

#179

Regarding the first paragraphs where luddism is mentioned several times; Lord Byron, father to Ada Lovelace the first programmer, was one of the few on the House of Lords to defend the Luddites: > But the police, however useless, were by no means idle: several notorious delinquents had been detected; men liable to conviction, on the clearest evidence, of the capital crime of poverty; men, who had been nefariously gui…

>father to Ada Lovelace the first programmer

Babbage was the first programmer seeing as he invented the first computer.

Lovelace is a perfect mirror for our society: a vapid socialite with shallow understanding of the problems and a willingness to make grandiose claims without the ability to back them up. That she is a woman just makes it even more blatant that we care nothing for ability as long as it makes for a good story.

In short: if you are the type of person to think she had anything important to add to computer science you are the type of person to think Steve Jobs was anything but a snake oil salesman with a decent understanding of typography.

Re: A 25-Year-Old Bet Comes Due: Has Tech Destroyed Society?

#180
There really wasn't much nuance to either side of the bet. Compare "they wouldn’t be just off the grid; there would be no grid" to "technology as an enriching force." I guess it makes for a fun bet, but the messy and complicated outcome ended up being the most interesting part.
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