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Re: Me and ADHD

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> hard time focusing on things that I don’t like or want to do Not trying to be insensitive, but doesn't that describe everybody? At what point does difficulty motivating yourself to do something unpleasant become an actual pathology? I identify with a lot of the symptoms he lists, but I've never thought that meant there was anything "wrong" with me, I thought everybody felt that way. Are there really people out ther…

It's more with the severity of it.

When it comes to tasks that you don't "want to do", it could be really ANY other task than what you want to do.

Imagine that you have some homework that's due, a work deadline that's absolutely imperative that you can meet, bills that have to be paid, or important call with your doctor - for the discussion, think of any task that's really important that you do.

Now imagine that your brain fees like...looking up some trivial thing on wikipedia, or similar. Just silly stuff that has no real importance - and is orders of magnitudes less important than what you need to focus on.

Now imagine that your brain and body is fighting all it can, for you to continue with the trivial task, and blocking the important stuff. You almost go into a trance.

You might be able to detach from some trivial task for a minute or two, only to get sucked back in.

Because it's such an invisible condition, it's hard to really know how bad it is. In the same way that people that have never suffered from migraines, might believe that migraines must be regular headaches, and that people that suffer from migraines might just be on the softer side.

Re: Me and ADHD

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> Most people will experience increased focus when first taking stimulants, ADHD or not. This isn't true, studies has shown that taking stimulants has no effects on grades for normal people. The "increased focus" they experience is just perception and not fact, it can even hurt their ability to focus. Being able to sit with a task for hours isn't "focus". https://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/news/20180726/adhd-meds-no-he..…

No, the article you linked specifically supports my point. In the middle of your article it says: > The students also showed an improvement in their alertness and their ability to focus, the researchers found. The idea that only ADHD people see improved focus from stimulants is purely false, as indicated by the article you provided. It's a dangerous misconception, as many people use this misunderstanding to self-diag…

The study says they believe they got better focus from it, not that they actually improved. The fact that they spent more time yet didn't get better results strongly hints at their focus actually got worse instead of better.

Also I'm not sure what your point is. Yes many people abuse stimulants in this manner and hurt their life due to it. However many people also greatly improve their life using stimulants. The existence of the first group doesn't mean much for how I need to use the medication, all I need to know is that the medication greatly improved all aspects of my life going from an almost certain failure to a top performer. If you don't see life changing improvements in grades or job performance then you probably don't have ADHD, at least not the same kind I have.

Re: Me and ADHD

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I personally took it for a long time, have a few pharmacists in my family. General life experience along with many examples witnessed around me lead me to believe that there is no free lunch. The focus you get comes at a price

A pharmacist does not equal a neuroscientist studying effects of long-term stimulant use on developing early onset neurodegenerative disease in any way, shape, or form. Sorry but you need to look at meta-analyses on on the topic and use that as a reference to prove anything to HN crowd at a minimum when making these bold unsubstantiated fear-mongering claims.

Yes but they interact with the same customers over long periods of time. I hate to tell you, but people can come to conclusions about the world. Its not a walled garden. I can see with my own two eyes what happens.

Go ahead and take legal cocaine though, hope your post helps you sleep at night

Re: Me and ADHD

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Getting chemically treated for ADHD is one of the life-changing moments for me. I spent most of my teen years learning "good habits" thru counseling and all that jazz. It wasn't until I started Vyvanse that all those "good habits" that was taught to me actually made sense. All the meditation practice actually got put to good use when it comes to controlling anger. I do wish I hadn't waited 15+ years between diagnosis…

> p/s if you're Aussie, Vyvanse is now on PBS so you no longer need to pay $100+ a month - rather it's now $6 to $40 depending on your cirumstances.

As a Aussie who is currently prescribed Dextroamphetamine, this makes me happy to hear.

I've been keen to switch to Vyvanse for a while now and my psych is open to the idea, but I haven't done it because of the cost and apparently there was a supply shortage for a while and I wouldn't have been able to get it at my pharmacy.

Now that I know it's on the PBS I'll have the conversation with my psych and hopefully be able to switch over too it.

Dex is too much like a rollercoaster for me, the idea of taking one extended release tablet in the morning I think would be a much smoother experience.

Re: Me and ADHD

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A word of caution: The pop-culture definition of ADHD has started to drift quite far from the original diagnosis. Whenever you read someone's personal description of ADHD, it helps to remember that many of the traits they describe are common to everyone, ADHD or not. The distinction lies in the severity of the symptoms, and how resistant those symptoms are to more typical (non-medication) interventions. The bigger pr…

I'd argue that if you can hold an office job for a year without getting fired then you don't have ADHD, or at least it is a very mild version. There are so many small things you need to do in an office hob that are super hard to do with ADHD, there is no way you can do a significant fraction of them with serious ADHD. It isn't about performing your job function which can be fun, but doing all the tiny bits you need t…

Depends on the person. When I was undiagnosed, I got away with it for years because under extreme deadline pressure for my projects I'd sometimes manage to pull it off really, really well. And, to my shame, I got pretty good at bullshitting my way through progress meetings.

The rest of the time, I was a right mess. Changed entire careers twice because I figured what I was doing just wasn't my thing. Turns out it was more fundamental than that, and I'm doing better now medicated.

I know others afflicted with ADHD who had similar experiences of flying just under the radar of being fired, before they found out what was really going on.

Re: Me and ADHD

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Yeah, my first adderall came from a friend who uses it to party. I can't see how. It makes me much quieter. Partying on it is something I can't even imagine.

Oh it's amazing. Especially if you drink a lot. I wouldn't be surprised to learn there are some amplifying chemical effects when combined similar to cocaine + alcohol -> cocaethylene Personally I am the other side of what you said lol I can't imagine that people don't feel it or don't enjoy it! addiction science is cool and evolving. i wonder if people have different inherent dopamine regulation/Glutamate chemistry i…

Mixing uppers and downers feels fantastic when you get the dosages right. But it's absolutely horrific to be doing that to your body with any regularity.

Re: Me and ADHD

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Getting chemically treated for ADHD is one of the life-changing moments for me. I spent most of my teen years learning "good habits" thru counseling and all that jazz. It wasn't until I started Vyvanse that all those "good habits" that was taught to me actually made sense. All the meditation practice actually got put to good use when it comes to controlling anger. I do wish I hadn't waited 15+ years between diagnosis…

> p/s if you're Aussie, Vyvanse is now on PBS so you no longer need to pay $100+ a month - rather it's now $6 to $40 depending on your cirumstances. As a Aussie who is currently prescribed Dextroamphetamine, this makes me happy to hear. I've been keen to switch to Vyvanse for a while now and my psych is open to the idea, but I haven't done it because of the cost and apparently there was a supply shortage for a while…

Just out of curiosity, your last name isn't Wong is it? If it is do email me

Re: Me and ADHD

#278

Not surprised at all that caffeine helps. ADHD is, bar none, the mental health diagnosis most amenable to medication. Specifically, stimulant therapy. There's no principled distinction between self-medicating and prescriptions here, other than various legal risks, costs, and side effect profiles. Caffeine is particularly poorly suited to this due to adaptation and anxiety, but it's certainly something , especially if…

Yes, but in the long run amphetamines will do significant damage to your health.

I can see how on the outside that might be a concern. How many awful years would you be willing to trade for good years? 2:1? 5:1? 10:1?

Consider

Lifetime Remaining x Quality of Life

If QoL is negative but can be switched to positive at some cost of LR it's not a hard deal to make. Especially in a world with car accidents and deadly diseases.

Re: Me and ADHD

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A lot of comments here are warning about the addictive properties of stimulant medications. For folks without ADHD, you should know that stimulants, like Ritalin and Adderall, do not usually cause the same response as in non-ADHD people. I've spoken with many people on stimulants, and none of them enjoy taking the medication, beyond what it has done to improve their lives. Furthermore, most ADHD people develop tolera…

For me, the medicine (lowish dose of adderall) gives me a sense of peace Without it my mind races and the hyper-everything is exhausting. My wife has tried it and it had the opposite effect on her. For me, the stimulant is very calming.

Re: Me and ADHD

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I'm on a very similar position. I found my ADHD out just about a year ago. After failing in many areas and going through a divorce, I can see some light at the end of the tunnel now. Here's what is working well for me: - reducing the amount of decisions to make. The less, the better. Even my meals are now precooked and I just take them out of the freezer at lunch or dinner time - 30 minutes of cardiopulmonary exercis…

Have you tried Adderall? I did not respond well to ritalin, but Adderall really worked for my symptoms.

Not yet. I'll talk to my doctor. Thanks for the advice.

Regular cardio makes me feel "functional" most of the time and I see some advantage on not taking this sort of medicine. But it would be nice to have some "fail over" strategy whenever I be unable to workout or on the not so rare occasions the workout doesn't work.

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