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India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by srean »

dang wrote: post #418
hesarenu wrote: post #416

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Yes. That is correct. But is it applied consistently. The op I responded was calling a group terrorist. I see many comments attacking a religion. I don't any reply suggestion a ban for these. Or I can't see those messages? Whatever be consistent.

We certainly intend to and try to apply the rules consistently, but the problem is that we can't come close to seeing everything that gets posted here. If you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. You can help by flagging it or emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com. One thing's clear: political/nationalistic/religious flamewar is not ok on HN reg…

If you look at my comment history think I have stuck to facts and been impersonal. Only transgression was when allegations were made by your parent poster that I called a million Hindu's a terrorist.

That's a ridiculous and defamatory claim. I think I am allowed to ask for clarifications or contest it when words are put in my mouth

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by bythckr »

davchana wrote: post #403
bythckr wrote: post #226

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You missed out to mention the fact that the protesters first destroyed the cell towers and stole the generators and are now complaining about the internet being cut. No cell tower == no cell service == no internet.

You failed (conveniently or not) to mention that that cell tower damage was in Punjab, about 350 kilometers away from the current protest site. Nobody stole the generators, but yes, the wires were cut. > No cell tower == no cell service == no internet. Are you implying that this internet shutdown in Delhi protest area has nothing to do with Government Orders?

No, first the towers in Punjab were attacked and when the company refused to replace the tower and cut service. The towers in Delhi was also attacked as protest. Jio is demanding compensation to replace the towers.

It's no cheap to replace a tower and someone has to pay up. The Govt has declined to pay for the tower. The protestors have blamed it on some rouge elements that infiltrated the protest. Some towers were managed by ZTE or some related Chinese entity that is also stuck in a limbo due to the Chinese ban and now they are seeking compensation for damaged towers as a way to recoupe their investments. Which is another reason why Govt wants to break this trend of paying for towers damaged by the protesters.

Ofcourse, none of this news can be authenticated. There are also claims that cell service was blocked in Delhi for the protestors as retaliation for destroying the towers in Punjab by the protestors. As the towers damaged in Delhi seems to collateral to the protest commotions rather than targeted attacks and less in numbers.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by davchana »

bythckr wrote: post #422
davchana wrote: post #403

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You failed (conveniently or not) to mention that that cell tower damage was in Punjab, about 350 kilometers away from the current protest site. Nobody stole the generators, but yes, the wires were cut. > No cell tower == no cell service == no internet. Are you implying that this internet shutdown in Delhi protest area has nothing to do with Government Orders?

No, first the towers in Punjab were attacked and when the company refused to replace the tower and cut service. The towers in Delhi was also attacked as protest. Jio is demanding compensation to replace the towers. It's no cheap to replace a tower and someone has to pay up. The Govt has declined to pay for the tower. The protestors have blamed it on some rouge elements that infiltrated the protest. Some towers were m…

Would love to see a news source about tower damage in Delhi.

Even then, there are Airtel, BSNL, Vodafone (?) & some others too. Not every tower is shared. & private property damaged by any mob is I think never paid by government (that would take like million years). Most of this is insured.

I still believe that this was just a blackout ordered by Government. Same way it has ordered porn sites ban, & many other blackouts. I remember in 2018 my district in Punjab was blacked out of any network for 3 days, & when we drove across Satluj to Ludhiana, all networks were fine.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by legolas2412 »

srean wrote: post #348
legolas2412 wrote: post #334

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And the reason all this happens is because a uniform civil code is unpalatable to muslims. We would be in a better place if we didn't have polygamy and good divorce, custody, alimony laws instead of religious laws.

What does cow slaughter laws have to do with laws governing marriage

Both are religious in nature

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by selimthegrim »

modi15 wrote: post #225
Thorrez wrote: post #151

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I looked at the comments by green accounts, and most are actually anti Indian government, rather than pro Indian government.

[flagged]

Speaking as a member of one of those minorities how about you leave us out of this one. We cool.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by selimthegrim »

aparsons wrote: post #397
vakataka wrote: post #396

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Really? Then how did Hinduism develop over the entire subcontinent? Isn't that the Indian culture? The British did the opposite of uniting. They just ruled over the entire country.

Religion vs culture is a subtle but important difference. Religiously, India is not very diverse, but culturally- that is, along ethic, language and racial lines - it is probably the most diverse country in the world. I never claimed the Brits united India culturally (except perhaps over a shared hatred of the colonizer?), but rather administratively (which continues today)

There is literal process studied by sociologists called Brahmanization where local elites were coopted and admitted to caste

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by ngc248 »

srean wrote: post #351
ngc248 wrote: post #235

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Damn man the level of misinformation you guys are feeding in is at the next level. So which is it, the people who where rioting were actual farmers, sikhs or from BJP? In the same thread you guys are listing out all possible combinations. In India there are Farmer organizations, labour organizations etc of all parties. The current agitation is by farmer orgs belonging to opposition parties. This is just politics noth…

The trick of discrediting a popular protest by putting your own hooligans to do something abhorrent is as old as the woods. That is what happened.

It can also be a double bluff, doing it and if it backfires say it is the opposing party's hooligans.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by webmobdev »

dang wrote: post #404
webmobdev wrote: post #117

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Please don't post political, nationalistic, or ideological flamewar comments to HN. It's not what this site is for, regardless of which side people are battling for or how right they feel it is. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I get what you are saying, but this was a submission on political protests and the government's somewhat repressive measures against it - so it is hard to discuss it without politics .... perhaps this submission should have been removed in and not allowed to gain traction in the first place? Can I flag such such submissions that have a political undertone?

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by webmobdev »

hesarenu wrote: post #394
webmobdev wrote: post #387

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The buyers will now prefer the "contract farming" route to procurement, as the new farm laws has tilted the power in their favour. With the broker (and dismantling of the regulated marketplace) out of the picture, the corporates can now take even more advantage of the farmers. (Note that the brokers also manipulated the market on behalf of the corporates earlier, but eliminating them is now more favourable for them a…

Nothing had been eliminated. Mandi is there. Msp is there. The law provides additional avenue for farmers. They now have multiple choices. Sell to individuals users, corporates, mandis create their own like milk corporation.

MSP is deliberately not specified explicitly in the new farm laws. Dismanting regulated marketplaces, in favour of corporates and contract faming have made it redundant and only gives an illusion of choice -

- Farmers cannot sell to individual users at a scale because they don't have any distribution networks.

- Weakly regulated mandis are as good as free market with no real protection.

- Contract farming with corporates shifts the balance of power away from farmers as they do not have the capability to negotiate on equal terms with them. This is made worse with the new farm laws deliberately favouring the corporates.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by dang »

fakedang wrote: post #4
pantalaimon wrote: post #2

Well that sure is a case for Starlink.

You think Elon wouldn't cut Starlink so that he can cozy up with a dictatorial regime? Edit:- keep 'em downvotes coming Muskie fanbois!

Would you please stop breaking the site guidelines?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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