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Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by Aulig »

ryandrake wrote: post #122
dmitrygr wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It actually is. A while ago, someone (i think fb) produced an article that showed that to avoid the issue, they find it is best to show user their own similar screen, and only if the user clicks "yes", show the OS screen (cause for that one you only get one chance). I suspect you're seeing the apps' first "app-made" screen and not the OS one. Look carefully. If so, click yes there, and NO on the OS screen.

Similar theory behind those “do you like this app” prompts that come from the app itself. If you tap “yes” they’ll give you the prompt to rate on the AppStore. If you tap “no” they won’t. This can seriously inflate an app’s rating and help prevent low ratings. Nice, underhanded and effective dark pattern!

This is called review gating and isn't allowed: https://appradar.com/blog/ask-users-leave-review-in-app-stor...

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by gameman144 »

erentz wrote: post #18

What would happen if legislation were passed to ban all tracking, across the board? Perhaps also inclusive of limits on targeted advertising also (to reduce the incentive to gather personal data). It seems this kind of universal disarmament (so to speak) still leaves FB in the same dominant position from an advertising perspective. It has the same huge audience, and it’s advertising product is the same as everyone el…

One worry I have is regarding poorly handled legislation hobbling national companies more than intended and driving consumers to worse options (as opposed to just preventing them from doing creepy things.) One of the prime examples here is search: if Google didn't keep a history of my search terms and/or other data about my account, the results they'd return would be far less personalized. I could (and do) use DuckDuckGo instead, but the search results are far less convenient (e.g. when I look up "compilation", DDG shows me literary compilations, Google shows me code-related things).

This in itself is fine, as long as either: 1. The drop in convenience isn't so high that people would prefer an alternative service 2. We can impose these rules worldwide.

If the drop in convenience isn't too bad, then even though there's a little more friction, there's not a mass exodus from these services. If we could impose these rules worldwide, that'd also make this an easy decision.

Given that the web is global, however, my biggest area of worry is that we squeeze all national companies to protect privacy, but it turns out the consumers really did like the personalized and convenient experiences and immediately switch over to Baidu or some other site that falls outside national jurisdiction and personalizes user experience well (presumably through even stronger privacy invasions).

tl;dr: I am cool with legislation, but given the global scale of the web we need to make sure we get the incentives/changes just right.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by ryandrake »

umvi wrote: post #114
MonAlternatiu wrote: post #109

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A lot of my friends use social media to stay in touch. Not being on social media would keep me out of the loop, which is not desirable. I try to restrict its usage as much as possible though.

Collect alternative methods of staying in touch with friends you care about before leaving social media (phone numbers, email addresses, mailing addresses, etc.)

Yea. If your friends will abandon you just because you’re not on social media anymore, then I have bad news for you: they probably aren’t really your friends. When I ditched Facebook about 10 years ago, I lost contact with a whole bunch of people who weren't really part of my life anyway, they were simply "names I recognized."

My social life actually got better after dropping social media simply because I'm spending less time scrolling in front of a screen.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by comeonseriously »

That's all well and good, but does anyone believe that this won't be a broken feature?

Edit: Also, I am absolutely positive that some of my family will agree because they'll think FB would not work correctly (update their feed) otherwise.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by spaetzleesser »

Spivak wrote: post #53
naiveai wrote: post #21

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So that the ads are more personalized. I know this sounds weird, but if I'm going to get ads anyway, I'd like them to potentially be products I'm going to maybe have a use for and might make my life easier. I get the privacy implications, but asking "why would anyone agree to this" is kind of narrow-minded.

I want personalized ads when I’m searching for product . I really don’t get the fetishization of sticking ads next to unrelated content. Like I get the whole brand mindshare aspect but that’s not exactly a small-business type of ad campaign. Like Jesus. If a company had good ad targeting I would actually pay to access it and use it as my product search. It’s remarkably difficult given the type of product you want to…

I remember the good, ol' days when you were on a kiteboarding site and the ads were for kiteboarding equipment and not for more toasters after I just bought one. I don't mind ads in the old style but I seriously resent the current state.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by PeterStuer »

notyourwork wrote: post #3

Why would anyone agree to this? I don’t see a benefit to letting Facebook or any company track me across the internet. When did we ever decide this was what consumers wanted? Every time this topic comes up I check Facebooks stock price and realize how detached people are from facebooks revenue driven by the advertisement market.

Why would anyone agree to this?

Because the opt-out is hidden under the third pane behind the per party 1 by 1 drop-downs of the opt-outs for "legitimate interests", in a list of 120 "vendors" that require individual sub-pane drop downs and a radio button all having an "agree to selected" button that will immediately negate all your previous selections and just blast you to the content as if you "agreed to all".

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by dfxm12 »

randmeerkat wrote: post #34
meekrohprocess wrote: post #7

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People like you and I didn't decide that it was what we wanted. We just have no other options, because the companies which impose the terms aggressively snuff out or buy up their competition. I would argue that people are accepting these terms under duress; "consent" is the wrong word. The market believes that Facebook et al will be able to continue enforcing their will unilaterally, and that is good for the companie…

Everyone has options. I deleted FB years ago. No one actually needs FB.

Is Facebook still creating shadow profiles? Whether or not you have an account with them, they might still be harvesting data about you. An individual can't really "delete FB".

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by artificial »

bavent wrote: post #45
naiveai wrote: post #21

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So that the ads are more personalized. I know this sounds weird, but if I'm going to get ads anyway, I'd like them to potentially be products I'm going to maybe have a use for and might make my life easier. I get the privacy implications, but asking "why would anyone agree to this" is kind of narrow-minded.

Does that actually work though? I've been buying things on Amazon for over a decade. For a while I got my groceries through them, I watch a lot of stuff on Prime Video. You would think they, of all people, know what I like. I can't think of more than a couple times where anything suggested to me was actually something I wanted. Even when I used FB, the ads were so off target from things I am interested in as to be la…

It comes down to the advertiser who is creating the audiences on the platform. "I can haz this many people?!" A terrible analogy is no programming language can save you from yourself. The current issue is the inaugural purchase mechanic, like buying a big ticket item or something that's a one off like toilet/toilet seat and now that's all you get moving forward.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by HotHotLava »

PeterStuer wrote: post #136
notyourwork wrote: post #3

Why would anyone agree to this? I don’t see a benefit to letting Facebook or any company track me across the internet. When did we ever decide this was what consumers wanted? Every time this topic comes up I check Facebooks stock price and realize how detached people are from facebooks revenue driven by the advertisement market.

Why would anyone agree to this? Because the opt-out is hidden under the third pane behind the per party 1 by 1 drop-downs of the opt-outs for "legitimate interests", in a list of 120 "vendors" that require individual sub-pane drop downs and a radio button all having an "agree to selected" button that will immediately negate all your previous selections and just blast you to the content as if you "agreed to all".

There's no opt-out, that's the whole point of the change.
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