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Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by grishka »

Zelphyr wrote: post #83
grishka wrote: post #48

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How much does Facebook earn from one user, $1 a year? No one would've died if they switched to a $1/year subscription model. People tend to respect companies that are honest with them. Except Facebook won't ever be able to regain its reputation, but still.

Doing that would equate to $2.7 billion a year in revenue. They currently generate about $70 billion a year. So, yeah; they'd pretty much die if their revenue dropped that much.

Imagine how much money they could save if they stop redesigning every little thing all the time to squeeze every last cent. Imagine not needing hundreds of developers working on a single app.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

whammywon wrote: post #96
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #81

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> it would be a bit naïve to think that Apple is doing so out of the kindness of their hearts Good. If they were doing it out of charity, a bit profit pressure, shareholder activism or change in management and the move is reversed. Being grounded in sound business logic and self-interest makes me trust it.

I never meant to imply that I thought Apple's (possible) intent was a good thing. I just think that a significant number of people will see what they're doing and thing "Oh, they're looking out for me." I think it's best to be skeptical of any company's motives, whether their current business decisions seem to help their users or not.

I don't think it's that. More that Apple in this case is the old "devil you know".

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by umvi »

MonAlternatiu wrote: post #109
umvi wrote: post #67

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> but there's no denying that it puts a major crimp on your social life In what way? Social lives existed before 2008 when FB went mainstream. I don't have a FB anymore, and I still text my friends for get-togethers.

A lot of my friends use social media to stay in touch. Not being on social media would keep me out of the loop, which is not desirable. I try to restrict its usage as much as possible though.

Collect alternative methods of staying in touch with friends you care about before leaving social media (phone numbers, email addresses, mailing addresses, etc.)

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by intrasight »

dTal wrote: post #72
randmeerkat wrote: post #34

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Everyone has options. I deleted FB years ago. No one actually needs FB.

It's very narrow-minded to assume that because you don't need Facebook, no one does. Facebook clearly provides some value, or no one would use it at all. Some people can't afford not to take advantage of that value. You can't tell a small business "don't use Facebook for social media outreach, it's evil and monopolistic" when the alternative is being outcompeted by those who do.

Also, remember that this is only about the FB app - and only on iOS. You can use only the FB site like I do and have all tracking and ads disabled.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by TimothyBJacobs »

whammywon wrote: post #65
judge2020 wrote: post #50

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But Apple isn't selling any of that data (which is really just 'downloaded apps' - they don't have the web browsing habits that FB and GOOG have). Their financial interest here is selling privacy with the price being the ongoing commitment to buy Apple products.

Perhaps, but who is to say that they don't have plans to branch out into that business? It's possible that they have no intent to do so, but a corporation's primary interest is making profit. And what would be a simple, yet significant, source of new revenue? Selling user data.

They tried offering an ad service called iAd that would do things the "Apple" way. No one used it.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by code_duck »

metalliqaz wrote: post #79
ruined wrote: post #8

do i get a consent screen if i don't have an account

if you don't have a FB account, why would you install the app?

FB has been known to maintain marketing profiles for people who have never or no longer use their services.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by roblabla »

dmitrygr wrote: post #97
idreyn wrote: post #87

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That's true, I forgot about that. I appreciate that those prompts don't highlight a particular option which tends to force you to read them. I wonder how often Apple will allow apps to re-request this permission when it's been denied; I have a handful of iOS apps that are constantly asking me to grant permission to see more of my photos, and I wish they'd rate-limit that kind of abuse.

It actually is. A while ago, someone (i think fb) produced an article that showed that to avoid the issue, they find it is best to show user their own similar screen, and only if the user clicks "yes", show the OS screen (cause for that one you only get one chance). I suspect you're seeing the apps' first "app-made" screen and not the OS one. Look carefully. If so, click yes there, and NO on the OS screen.

Wouldn't this be against the Apple TOS? Might want to report application that are using this kind of dark pattern.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by egypturnash »

idreyn wrote: post #87
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #74

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Remember though that this doesn't replace Apple's prompt!

That's true, I forgot about that. I appreciate that those prompts don't highlight a particular option which tends to force you to read them. I wonder how often Apple will allow apps to re-request this permission when it's been denied; I have a handful of iOS apps that are constantly asking me to grant permission to see more of my photos, and I wish they'd rate-limit that kind of abuse.

Shit, every time I reboot my iPad it asks for permission to connect to my phone for wifi calling, and I keep on saying "no" and I wish I could just say "never ask this again". It's just as annoying when Apple does it.
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