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Hedge fund Melvin sustains 53% loss after Reddit onslaught

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NBC has double the primetime product placement of it's next nearest competitor, fox. https://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00101603/00001

That's about fictional TV shows, not news.

Only a small segment during the 247 news station day is actually designated as news. Everything else is news entertainment which has different regulations.

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The problem with puts is they can expire before this calms down. If you can get a short in and not get a margin call this is the opportunity of a lifetime. Only the biggest players dare risk it though.

This is true, but you can also go broke if you mess up your entry point. What if it happens to triple before it falls back down? Will you have the ability to sustain those losses, psychologically and financially? I knew a guy that wound up going short on a stock that was going to the moon. He was down almost a years salary at one point. I'd rather go with a longer-term put option to keep the risk under control. It ju…

As I said, only the biggest players dare risk a short at this point. I'm not sure even the likes of Bill Gates are big enough, but there are many institutions that are bigger than him.

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I agree; its important to keep in mind that GME's total market cap, even after all of this, is only ~$22B. A 140% short position is bad (even if that's the real number, which I doubt), but in the scope of all things, not world-ending. Some hedge funds will die from this, and we'll probably have a few weeks of overall market downturn similar to last year, but we're not talking about "the entire US real estate market"…

Let's also absorb the fact that one firm can "lose" 22B in value and no one involved feels directly hurt.

22 billion is small compared to the sea of market moves. It’s why a small group of retail investors could push the market. If they levered up 30 to 1 that’s a different story.

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The problem with puts is they can expire before this calms down. If you can get a short in and not get a margin call this is the opportunity of a lifetime. Only the biggest players dare risk it though.

There are long-dated puts that expire 1-3 years from now. In what world would this not calm down before then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania speculators enter in 1634, the bust wasn't until 1637, and the bubble had been growing well before then.

I have no idea where we are in this bubble. The timeline will only be known a few years after it pops. There may be false pops on the way up.

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Because closing their position is not what any sane shorter wants to do. The bottom line of GameStop sucks baddly. Anyone who can add to their shorts stands to make a fortune in a few months after this all calms down. Though they might have seen what was happening and exited at 50 to reenter at 300. That would be incredible foresight.

Why do you think short squeezes happen? It’s not because shorts are being insane and covering. They are literally forced to. You have buying for reasons that aren’t commercial and that’s why short squeezes are so bloody.

They are forced to because the lender of the stocks is afraid that they don't have enough money to buy back if things go even higher. If you can prove you have enough money at current prices then you are not forced to sell. GME is not a big company, even at current prices there are several funds that could afford to have a significant short interest from the bottom without getting a call.

edit: originially I said they could carry 200% short, but that is not true. The biggest funds I can find could alone have shorted 30% of a GME at $3 and be okay at $300, but going much above that price or percentage of GME shorted would be a problem.

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20B in volume in a single trading day and people still think this is just retail. Sheesh.

2-3 weeks ago when share prices were around $17, GME had a market cap of less than 1.2B. WSB has 7.6 million users now, but I assume it went up a lot recently. Say 2 million of them bought some GME. To buy 50% of the shares a couple weeks ago it would have only taken $296 each. So they could ABSOLUTELY get prices moving significantly. Now of course lots more people have jumped on now. But that 20B volume number is af…

> WSB has 7.6 million users

I keep seeing this metric everywhere, it's irrelevant, $GME became a meme stock, people are joining the sub to check out the fun, not to invest. Max 1% of them are really investing anything of value.

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It should be noted that Melvin Capital returned over 50% in 2020[1], 44% in 2019[2], and has averaged above 30% annual returns since inception[3]. In other words, even though this is definitely painful, even inclusive of this event, it's one of the best performing hedge funds of the past decade. [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/citadel-point72-to-invest-2-75-... [2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-19/…

Context is important, so the Nasdaq 100 (as represented by the QQQ ETF) returned ~49% in 2020, 39% in 2019, and 24% over the last 5 years. Beating the indexes by 5-6 points consistently is very good, but it's important to keep in mind that most equities were doing really well over that period. (Edit: It's been reported elsewhere that these numbers are net of fees. However, it's entirely possible that for taxable acco…

Doesn’t this 50% loss apply to the cum sum of gains though?

That is, if I started with $1 and made $1,000, a 50% loss would still be $500

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Exactly as I said... this is not just retail. Not 20B in a single trading day.

That’s 4 million people averaging $5000. It could be?

Not really, few percentage points of that sub are actually investing. Loud minority.

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if I gained 50%, 44%, followed by a 53% loss with a 2% fee, I'd be under water for the last 3 years, but the sp500 would have yielded me a 37% gain - virtually no fees. I'd rather the sp500 over these guys

This is the point Nassim Nicholas Taleb makes in his book Fooled by Randomness. In a long enough timeline luck plays a big part in performance. People or firms like Melvin can perform well in a short timeline but when you stretch the timeline out the reality becomes clearer.

I read somewhere that holding s&p for 30 years at any arbitrary period, worst you could was 2x

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> Say 2 million of them bought some GME. I think you are off by one or two orders of magnitude. I'd wager that a full half of the subscribers haven't even opened reddit in the last week.

Well considering it's currently at 7.8 million subscribers, and a week ago it was 2.1 million subscribers [1] I'd love to know how 4 million redditors subscribed without opening reddit [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20210125060034/https://www.reddi...

He just knows, ok? Geez
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