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Gig Workers Have Nowhere to Pee (2020)

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Re: Gig Workers Have Nowhere to Pee (2020)

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> Uber and DoorDash said they do not have any specific rules about bathroom access. Grubhub, Seamless, and Instacart did not respond.

Can anyone familiar with policy making in gig economy companies explain why the spokesperson wasn’t told to say, “We think it’s not okay. Going forward, the first offense for a restaurant that denies bathroom access to a driver will be a 24 hour ban from our platform.”

Courage is contagious. Why not take a stand?

Re: Gig Workers Have Nowhere to Pee (2020)

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A lot of workers have nowhere to pee, for example bus drivers. Often they avoid drinking water for this reason, allowing themselves to be chronically dehydrated.

At least for government employees, if not all non-office workers, government should simply mandate to that any building open to the public must allow use of its bathrooms.

This is actually a result of the opioid crisis more than anything. If you leave your bathrooms open then you'll get a lot of people using then to use drugs. And a lot of them will overdose in those bathrooms (which is a serious problem for staff).

Re: Gig Workers Have Nowhere to Pee (2020)

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A lot of workers have nowhere to pee, for example bus drivers. Often they avoid drinking water for this reason, allowing themselves to be chronically dehydrated.

A few years ago I was doing granite work. On installs, if the customer's plumbing wasn't hooked up, we'd have to find a bush somewhere...or so I thought. One day, I was digging around in the back of the truck looking for some acetone and grabbed out a bottle of some yellowish brown liquid. Suddenly, head installer starts freaking out a bit going on 'no no don't touch that.' After a moment or two it dawned on all of u…

It makes sense, especially if workers are on a project in a residential area. I've heard of drunk people being threatened with the sex offender list when they were caught urinating on a bush after dark. People might take drastic steps if strange men are urinating in the lawn adjacent to where their kids are playing.

Re: Gig Workers Have Nowhere to Pee (2020)

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post #21

> Uber and DoorDash said they do not have any specific rules about bathroom access. Grubhub, Seamless, and Instacart did not respond. Can anyone familiar with policy making in gig economy companies explain why the spokesperson wasn’t told to say, “We think it’s not okay. Going forward, the first offense for a restaurant that denies bathroom access to a driver will be a 24 hour ban from our platform.” Courage is conta…

GrubHub and DoorDash are adversarial extractive operations, and it is not in the best interest of any restaurant to deliver through them. They already squeeze all or most of the profit out of anything they pickup and deliver.

Sadly, many restaurants don’t have a choice, in these days of COVID-19. They work with GrubHub and DoorDash at zero profit or even a loss, or they go completely out of business. Those are the only two options.

So, it’s no wonder that the restaurants wouldn’t want to provide bathroom facilities for the drivers.

Uber is just as bad (or worse), but they’re in a slightly different line of business, unless you’re talking about UberEats.

Re: Gig Workers Have Nowhere to Pee (2020)

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Worked in gas station, tons of people stop just to use restrooms.

When I used to commute a long distance to work, I had 3 strategic restroom locations along my route - a Target, a gas station, and a catholic church.

In all the long-distance traveling my wife and I have done over the past twenty years here in the US, we quickly got into the habit of locating every McDonalds and Starbucks anywhere close to the route we would be taking. They have traditionally had the best quality bathrooms, and we didn’t mind buying some food or drink while we were there.

The problem came when Starbucks started opening “stores” inside of Target. Those were really hard to detect in the app, and Target bathrooms are not nearly so nice.

Re: Gig Workers Have Nowhere to Pee (2020)

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> Uber and DoorDash said they do not have any specific rules about bathroom access. Grubhub, Seamless, and Instacart did not respond. Can anyone familiar with policy making in gig economy companies explain why the spokesperson wasn’t told to say, “We think it’s not okay. Going forward, the first offense for a restaurant that denies bathroom access to a driver will be a 24 hour ban from our platform.” Courage is conta…

GrubHub and DoorDash are adversarial extractive operations, and it is not in the best interest of any restaurant to deliver through them. They already squeeze all or most of the profit out of anything they pickup and deliver. Sadly, many restaurants don’t have a choice, in these days of COVID-19. They work with GrubHub and DoorDash at zero profit or even a loss, or they go completely out of business. Those are the on…

> Sadly, many restaurants don’t have a choice, in these days of COVID-19. They work with GrubHub and DoorDash at zero profit or even a loss, or they go completely out of business. Those are the only two options.

Is that true? Are restaurants charged separately from grubhub's breakdowns of the fees? They also say the restarant can charge more than their normal menu price if they choose.

Re: Gig Workers Have Nowhere to Pee (2020)

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Worked in gas station, tons of people stop just to use restrooms.

Worked at grocery stores and gas stations. A lot of people stopped just to use the restroom. We also had homeless people use restrooms to bathe, and drug addicts use the bathroom as a place to quickly take a hit. Also had people defecate on the floor, write messages on the wall with feces, etc. Because of this, multiple places I worked didn't provide restroom access to the public. It sucks for people who simply and r…

This is one of those things in Europe that in my anecdotal experience works better: pay toilets. For some reason all the bathrooms I had to pay for in England, Germany and Belgium were clean. The larger ones at Christmas Markets even had bathroom attendants, so any problems or cleanup were immediately addeseed.

It's unfortunately the base level of civility has fallen to the point where you can't just walk in most public places and use a restroom any more. Definitely one of those cases of a few people ruining it for everyone else.

Re: Gig Workers Have Nowhere to Pee (2020)

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A lot of workers have nowhere to pee, for example bus drivers. Often they avoid drinking water for this reason, allowing themselves to be chronically dehydrated.

Pretty sure there are usually for places for bus drivers to pee at layover points. I believe the CTA even constructs toilets or deploys portapotties for this purpose, if there is no amenable business or institution (for example, https://www.google.com/maps/@41.924152,-87.8020309,3a,75y,23... sure looks like a toilet). Now, it's possible that COVID has affected some of these agreements (e.g. if the institution is a museum or something that is temporarily closed) and of course some of the bus routes are long and sometimes drivers must have to go in the middle.
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