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Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Cryptocurrency continues to gain more ground but I still have my reservations about it being the currency of the future. If by design, cryptocurrency has a finite volume of transferrable currency, do early adopters have an unfair advantage that could potentially make the currency unusable? I don’t see how it could possibly be fair when earlier mining yielded currency more quickly.

Isn't that true of everything? If you were an early adopter of America you could get free land that today could be worth hundreds of millions.

I mean I don’t disagree with you but it still makes my stomach turn a bit.

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Visa doesn’t administer rewards programs - or loan origination for that matter - that’s handled by issuing banks. They are simply the payment rails. They also only collect a very small amount of the transaction, like the 0.1-0.2% range.

Yes, but I’m assuming the Fed’s payment system won’t offer rewards, so Visa would benefit from the existence of rewards’ schemes on their network versus others such as the Fed’s.

Once there’s an instant payment network live, you should expect regulatory cram down of interchange fees, killing rewards.

It’s definitely a hard sell currently, but once the rails are available cheaply to everyone, most of the arguments against it evaporate away.

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Cryptocurrency continues to gain more ground but I still have my reservations about it being the currency of the future. If by design, cryptocurrency has a finite volume of transferrable currency, do early adopters have an unfair advantage that could potentially make the currency unusable? I don’t see how it could possibly be fair when earlier mining yielded currency more quickly.

Quite the opposite. Bitcoin was the first fair currency, where everybody who had a computer could get it. There wasn't any currency created a more fair way. Even now everybody can look at it and evaluate how well its design resonates with his or her philosophy.

> Bitcoin was the first fair currency, where everybody who had a computer could get it.

Even if it was correct, that would be an extraordinarily bizarre definition of "fair".

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Yes, but I’m assuming the Fed’s payment system won’t offer rewards, so Visa would benefit from the existence of rewards’ schemes on their network versus others such as the Fed’s.

Once there’s an instant payment network live, you should expect regulatory cram down of interchange fees, killing rewards. It’s definitely a hard sell currently, but once the rails are available cheaply to everyone, most of the arguments against it evaporate away.

I disagree; the value provided by credit cards is the 0% APR 1-month unsecured loan that pays your transaction. This creates an ton of flexibility and by definition the rewards cost is returned to the buyer.

3% transaction fee means 0.1-0.2% to visanet, 2% in rewards and more than likely a large portion of the remainder is the cost of originating and serving that loan.

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Isn't that true of everything? If you were an early adopter of America you could get free land that today could be worth hundreds of millions.

That's a great analogy

Thanks :)

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Cryptocurrency continues to gain more ground but I still have my reservations about it being the currency of the future. If by design, cryptocurrency has a finite volume of transferrable currency, do early adopters have an unfair advantage that could potentially make the currency unusable? I don’t see how it could possibly be fair when earlier mining yielded currency more quickly.

Not necessarily. Dogecoin has no fixed cap on the amount of Đ in existence. Rather, it expands at a rate of Đ5billion/yr, much to the chagrin of several currency pumpers. https://github.com/dogecoin/dogecoin/issues/1674

I did not know this. Thanks for the information. So do this make a currency like Doge more attractive as a long term solution? Will BitCoin be a one hit wonder per se?

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Once there’s an instant payment network live, you should expect regulatory cram down of interchange fees, killing rewards. It’s definitely a hard sell currently, but once the rails are available cheaply to everyone, most of the arguments against it evaporate away.

I disagree; the value provided by credit cards is the 0% APR 1-month unsecured loan that pays your transaction. This creates an ton of flexibility and by definition the rewards cost is returned to the buyer. 3% transaction fee means 0.1-0.2% to visanet, 2% in rewards and more than likely a large portion of the remainder is the cost of originating and serving that loan.

The rewards cost is returned to some, and is an expensive tax on others. If cheap float is desired, deposit account providers can provide it directly (some forward fintechs already do this).

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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I wonder if this is one of these dot-com bubble-esque articles that we'll look back on and think, "What an interesting time."

We may look back on this as more of a "Netflix expands online business instead of DVDs" moment.

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Fiat currencies will probably always exist. Digital crypto assets like Bitcoin or Ethereum will exist alongside them. Bitcoin can be an asset like gold, of which users keep a portion of their networth to protect from economic uncertainty. Its deflationary policy may make it less usable as a currency, but at least crypto gives people choice.

I was having this discussion with a friend recently, arguing over what the actual use cases are for crypto, and I came to a similar conclusion. In terms of facilitating payments , cryptocurrencies are worse in almost every way I can think of compared to existing systems. They are (currently) slow, have high transaction fees, but most importantly the non-refundability of crypto transactions is a bug, not the feature c…

What if a bunch of countries peg their currency to crypto like Bitcoin and it becomes so valuable that one day jobs return to America due labor being cheaper in the US because we were to stubborn to chain our policy? Lol is that a thing that could happen?

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Quite the opposite. Bitcoin was the first fair currency, where everybody who had a computer could get it. There wasn't any currency created a more fair way. Even now everybody can look at it and evaluate how well its design resonates with his or her philosophy.

> Bitcoin was the first fair currency, where everybody who had a computer could get it. Even if it was correct, that would be an extraordinarily bizarre definition of "fair".

Sure, you're right, but the other option is to be a banker...there are much more people with computers than with banking license.
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