The untold story of ‘circle of trust’ behind world’s first gene-edited babies
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Re: The untold story of ‘circle of trust’ behind world’s first gene-edited babies
#2I'm feeling bewitched by this entire story of rejection of He Jiankui. Could someone here please describe in layman's terms what's wrong with the _ethics_ of germline editing?
Edit: yes it's gonna be crazy expensive and 10+ years will pass before the tech is ready for mass use, I realize that.
Re: The untold story of ‘circle of trust’ behind world’s first gene-edited babies
#3> After his talk, He immediately drove back to Shenzhen, and his circle of trust began to disintegrate
Sad to see how the West keep pushing it's agenda and values down the throat of other countries.
Hopefully China will keep advancing science, while the West goes into another dark age due to its religions.
Re: The untold story of ‘circle of trust’ behind world’s first gene-edited babies
#4I'm feeling bewitched by this entire story of rejection of He Jiankui. Could someone here please describe in layman's terms what's wrong with the _ethics_ of germline editing? Edit: yes it's gonna be crazy expensive and 10+ years will pass before the tech is ready for mass use, I realize that.
People don't like that it's permanent, and transmitted.
If you have money, you can make your kids AIDS (and Cholera, and Smallpox) resistant.
They see that as "unfair", and conveniently forget money buy high education and network.
Some other people disagree for religious reason - they say it's "playing god", but I do not understand their arguments. Humanity has done selective breeding for centuries, and nobody ever complained.
It's just doing the same with better methods, as the CCR5 mutation discussed in the article was not created by humans, but naturally selected.
Re: The untold story of ‘circle of trust’ behind world’s first gene-edited babies
#5> After his talk, He immediately drove back to Shenzhen, and his circle of trust began to disintegrate Sad to see how the West keep pushing it's agenda and values down the throat of other countries. Hopefully China will keep advancing science, while the West goes into another dark age due to its religions.
> Hopefully China will keep advancing science, while the West goes into another dark age due to its religions.
.. given this and the uighur thing, they certainly do seem to have a knack for atheist eugenics. Opium of the masses and the inevitable march of dialectical materialism, amirite?
Re: The untold story of ‘circle of trust’ behind world’s first gene-edited babies
#6> After his talk, He immediately drove back to Shenzhen, and his circle of trust began to disintegrate Sad to see how the West keep pushing it's agenda and values down the throat of other countries. Hopefully China will keep advancing science, while the West goes into another dark age due to its religions.
> Hopefully China will keep advancing science, while the West goes into another dark age due to its religions. .. given this and the uighur thing, they certainly do seem to have a knack for atheist eugenics. Opium of the masses and the inevitable march of dialectical materialism, amirite?
> Opium of the masses and the inevitable march of dialectical materialism, amirite?
You have different values, good for you.
Some of us prefer science and progress. You live in your country with your values, please do not export them on us and we will do the same.
The rest of the world is free to opt in China generosity. I am sure one belt one road will help Africa more than all your charities and religious missions combined.
Re: The untold story of ‘circle of trust’ behind world’s first gene-edited babies
#7I'm feeling bewitched by this entire story of rejection of He Jiankui. Could someone here please describe in layman's terms what's wrong with the _ethics_ of germline editing? Edit: yes it's gonna be crazy expensive and 10+ years will pass before the tech is ready for mass use, I realize that.
I got downvoted for expressing this opinion before but the only real issues are implementation related.
#1: The technology isn't mature enough and has some "mistargetting" that adds or deletes where it shouldn't.
#2: It is a reckless disregard for human life to not do generational animal trials before humans. If we cannot say make mice redfurred or immune to a mouse disease without major side effects like vastly increased cancer risk doing so in humans is unconscionable.*
*Medical ethics has a bit of weirdness in that if someone is certainly doomed otherwise it is more permissible to try something crazy.
If we could accessibly edit DNA mistakes with no more risk or difficulty than say preventing blood type mismatch related miscarriage then it having a few people with "bad traits carried onto offspring" wouldn't be a big deal.
It is often en vogue to complain about it cementing a class divide but under that logic education is unethical because it priveledges those who can afford it over those who cannot.
Re: The untold story of ‘circle of trust’ behind world’s first gene-edited babies
#8I'm feeling bewitched by this entire story of rejection of He Jiankui. Could someone here please describe in layman's terms what's wrong with the _ethics_ of germline editing? Edit: yes it's gonna be crazy expensive and 10+ years will pass before the tech is ready for mass use, I realize that.
We don't know all the potential implications. These genes will be passed on to their children. What if it causes disease?
Not to mention the splitting of humanity into separate species, based on wealth.
It is a whole mess of ethical concerns. I am astonished that you can't see that.
Re: The untold story of ‘circle of trust’ behind world’s first gene-edited babies
#9I'm feeling bewitched by this entire story of rejection of He Jiankui. Could someone here please describe in layman's terms what's wrong with the _ethics_ of germline editing? Edit: yes it's gonna be crazy expensive and 10+ years will pass before the tech is ready for mass use, I realize that.
Human overconfidence about sums it up.
Re: The untold story of ‘circle of trust’ behind world’s first gene-edited babies
#10I'm feeling bewitched by this entire story of rejection of He Jiankui. Could someone here please describe in layman's terms what's wrong with the _ethics_ of germline editing? Edit: yes it's gonna be crazy expensive and 10+ years will pass before the tech is ready for mass use, I realize that.
I got downvoted for expressing this opinion before but the only real issues are implementation related. #1: The technology isn't mature enough and has some "mistargetting" that adds or deletes where it shouldn't. #2: It is a reckless disregard for human life to not do generational animal trials before humans. If we cannot say make mice redfurred or immune to a mouse disease without major side effects like vastly incr…
Your attempt at whataboutism failed.
It is not at all equivalent. In developed countries, education is accessible to most or all. (The USA is not a developed country by this measure)
If you aren't worried about humanity splitting into multiple species along economic lines, I don't know what to tell you. I guess the film Gattaca was just a fun romp for you? I guess you must assume you will be one of the "haves" and to hell with everyone else, if you get yours?