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Re: GitHub Should Start an App Store

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Post by pavlov »

kibwen wrote: post #59
gfodor wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I highly advise you write down somewhere what sort of event it would take for you to change your belief that this is nothing to be concerned about. Then, at least do a cursory check to see if such an event has occurred already, it may well have. https://mobile.twitter.com/thomaschattwill/status/1354194374...

The first thing would be for someone to actually define "woke", as opposed to slinging it around as a conveniently-nebulous catch-all to describe people they're opposed to (see also "liberal" and "conservative"). What is the woke manifesto? If you have something to say, then please just say it without couching it behind vague terms and "you can connect the dots yourself" conspiratorial thinking.

The American right has spent the past 35 years inventing scary new names for the same nebulous concept of a Marxist horde threatening to prevent them from speaking honestly.

It’s been known as “political correctness”, “social justice warriors”, “wokeness” and certainly a bunch of other names. The fundamental premise doesn’t change because it’s rooted in some deeper fear.

Re: GitHub Should Start an App Store

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Post by vagrantJin »

Irishsteve wrote: post #69
ROARosen wrote: post #57

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The funny thing about these "reasons" the article writes, is that it does not give any reason why GitHub would want to create such an app store. Most the reasons stated are basically what we will supposedly benefit. There is literally no reason from GitHub's point of view why they would be interested in creating such a product to begin with. Of course, there might be reasons form Microsoft to create an alternative to…

It would be interesting for GitHub because they have a large developer community who push to these app stores already, so they have the dev audience, just not the consumer. They charge said developers a few dollars a month per seat. GitHub could somehow instead be taking a 0%-20% cut topline revenue from some of the apps they host. Lots of work to make that happen the upside might make it worth while.

The devs are the consumers. So it can be a niche store?

I dont know what a normal person would be doing on github.

Re: GitHub Should Start an App Store

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Post by benibela »

georgyo wrote: post #27

Branding does matter, but friction would be extremely rough. Windows is ironically an extremely open system. All users are very used to doing what other platforms would call side loading. And all apps on windows have developed their own methods for receiving updates. The Microsoft store for windows is pretty sad. Not because the interface sucks, at least not more so than google or apple ones, but because there isn't…

I have plans to put my Windows apps in the Microsoft store, because I have heard it is cheaper than getting a code signing certificate which would be renewed yearly

But I switched to Linux, so I could not use any of the Microsoft tooling. Unless the store deployment can run on WINE?

Re: GitHub Should Start an App Store

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Post by Closi »

acct776 wrote: post #20
fbelzile wrote: post #12

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I don't know though, Microsoft already runs multiple app stores (Xbox & Windows, Edge). I don't see why they couldn't build it out for another platform or at least figure out some kind of arms-reach integration with Github -> Microsoft Store. This could be a nice come back into the mobile sphere they lost out on. As a developer, I completely agree that Microsoft earned my trust over the years.

There's pushback on another app store from Microsoft because nobody wants more walled gardens. The pendulum has shifted, and it's swinging towards PWA. Per Microsoft, Outlook is now a progressive web app. App stores are dying - they're just going to take a bit to timeout.

> The pendulum has shifted, and it's swinging towards PWA.

It has for some things, and for others native is king. Native just delivers experiences that PWA can’t (yet).

To take a simple example - let’s consider a ‘timer app’. On iPhone I ask Siri to set me a timer for 5 minutes, it sets the timer and I walk away from my phone. 15 minutes the timer pings on my watch where I can accept it. There are multiple steps in this user story that a PWA currently struggles with, including:

* (Reliable) backgrounding

* Siri integration

* Notifications

* Apple Watch support

Re: GitHub Should Start an App Store

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Post by simias »

gfodor wrote: post #55
kibwen wrote: post #47

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Is hand-wringing over "woke" bogeymen the next evolution of grousing unironically about "SJWs"?

I highly advise you write down somewhere what sort of event it would take for you to change your belief that this is nothing to be concerned about. Then, at least do a cursory check to see if such an event has occurred already, it may well have. https://mobile.twitter.com/thomaschattwill/status/1354194374...

Oh no, poor literary agent caught posting on Gab, a far right white supremacist website, and losing her job. Thoughts and prayers.

More seriously if you think that's a problem IMO the solution is to ask for better employee protection laws so that people can't be fired at will. This is not a free speech problem IMO, it's a worker right issue.

And if it turns out that her contract did mention that she shouldn't publicly engage in something that would damage the company's image or something of the sort, well, that's just the way it works really.

Re: GitHub Should Start an App Store

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Post by fullstackwife »

johnisgood wrote: post #62

It is almost like the author forgot that GitHub is owned by Microsoft (despite mentioning it, sigh). "Tired of big tech censoring apps? Let's have big tech manage an app store, that'll solve it". or "Tired of one big tech censoring apps? Let's have another one, the one and only!". Plus I am sure others have mentioned it by now but GitHub Issues for user feedback is going to suck big time.

This idea would take it to another level, because it would also mean that the "big tech is in control of my source code and release process".

Re: GitHub Should Start an App Store

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Post by phkahler »

villasv wrote: post #32

> They already host source code of millions of apps. Release integration should be trivial to implement. Release integration is trivial for anyone. It's the easiest and most irrelevant part of the app stores. > Unlike Google they actually listen to their users. They were awesome during youtube-dl debacle. And controversial on others, like shutting down Popcorn Time's repository. As any other, they'll listen if there'…

>> hone manufacturers like Samsung are in a much much better position to try. And indeed they have been trying an failing.

Samsung is bothering me. I have an S8 and they want to replace all the standard Google apps - including the basic text messageing one - with Samsung equivalents.

It's not clear why and I haven't gone looking. It feels like they're just trying to displace Google and be another company reading my messages and monitoring my activity. I figure I don't need another one of those in my life. If their intent is to help me by offering privacy respecting alternatives they have not done so. I'm also completely unaware of any app-store Samsung may have beyond a place for them to push their versions of these apps.

Am I wrong? Should I be looking closer at what Samsung has to offer?

Re: GitHub Should Start an App Store

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Post by throwaway3699 »

simias wrote: post #76
gfodor wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I highly advise you write down somewhere what sort of event it would take for you to change your belief that this is nothing to be concerned about. Then, at least do a cursory check to see if such an event has occurred already, it may well have. https://mobile.twitter.com/thomaschattwill/status/1354194374...

Oh no, poor literary agent caught posting on Gab, a far right white supremacist website, and losing her job. Thoughts and prayers. More seriously if you think that's a problem IMO the solution is to ask for better employee protection laws so that people can't be fired at will. This is not a free speech problem IMO, it's a worker right issue. And if it turns out that her contract did mention that she shouldn't publicl…

Seriously.

Gab isn't a far right white supremacist website. It's just right wing Twitter. I don't understand where all this hyperbole comes from but it's a perfect example of the low-information individuals we have in society today.

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