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GitHub Should Start an App Store

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Re: GitHub Should Start an App Store

#21

I'm not sure what my point is here exactly, but: debian has had an "app store" for 20+ years that works brilliantly, can be trusted not to fuck with or spy on you, has never pulled youtube-dl/nmap/etc (as far as I know), (while also being naturally free of forum software for white supremacists (bonus!))

You're being quite selective here, sure the Debian way has it's positives but let's not pretend that model is free of problems -- there's been plenty of software that has been removed or is not allowed in Debian, and once you want a newer version of something that isn't in there then getting what you want can be difficult if you're not an expert, etc.

Re: GitHub Should Start an App Store

#22
post #9

> Unlike Google they actually listen to their users. They were awesome during youtube-dl debacle. I wouldn't say they were "awesome" during the youtube-dl stuff. They were slow to respond and non-transparent about what was happening behind the scenes. Also, user's have been calling for GitHub to terminate their contract with ICE for a long time now[0] to no avail. GitHub is better than most, no doubt, when it comes t…

In contrast, I was surprised with how "quickly" it was resolved, compared to my expectation.

MS is beholden to US.gov through contract cash and unspoken agreements - those ties are lessening, but are still pretty deep.

Re: GitHub Should Start an App Store

#23
I have a question regarding the moderation needs of stores: why exactly do we need stores for mobile devices, whereas we don't have any store or moderation for installing application on computers, or visiting websites?

Except various edge cases, you can technically visit any website that is served from any server, or you can install any application that has the correct binaries for your platform. What makes mobile devices different in this regard?

Re: GitHub Should Start an App Store

#24
post #7

This is a great idea. I can't wait for my favorite apps to get banned by yet another centralized authority!

Exactly.

I'm afraid all the reasons the author lists, just boils down to: 'GitHub (Microsoft) should host all our apps because they listen to their users!'

What could possibly go wrong?

Re: GitHub Should Start an App Store

#25
All fine and good but what we need first is an antitrust case against apple and google just like we had against Microsoft back in the day when internet explorer was pre-installed.

Just now we have a situation where you can't even install an alternative app store in one platform and the other one is crippled.

And don't tell me apple has a small market share or you can use another vendor. Back when Microsoft was being forced to open up it was as extremely easy to install another browser and they still had to go to court.

Re: GitHub Should Start an App Store

#27
Branding does matter, but friction would be extremely rough.

Windows is ironically an extremely open system. All users are very used to doing what other platforms would call side loading. And all apps on windows have developed their own methods for receiving updates.

The Microsoft store for windows is pretty sad. Not because the interface sucks, at least not more so than google or apple ones, but because there isn't a real incentive for developers or users to use it.

Searching for a ssh client on the windows store shows ZERO free options, and all of them look worse than PuTTY. They are in the windows store strictly for visibility; which is a good use of an app store. But without the major players who don't need the limited visibility of that store, they users won't think to look there for their needs as well.

If Microsoft rebranded their app store the Github app store, Or made some easy pipeline for github actions to publish to their store; there would be a fair amount of people yelling "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" as well as fearing that microsoft is using the good will of GitHub to get to a similar world of the closed gardens of the others.

Lastly, Microsoft has not done so well in the mobile phone markets. Creating an android store similar to F-Droid would be a hard sell and limited appeal. Google very likely won't let you install the windows app store from the google app store. Apple will never allow a competitor on their platform _at all_ unless legally required.

I don't see how a GitHub app store could succeed.

Re: GitHub Should Start an App Store

#28
post #9

> Unlike Google they actually listen to their users. They were awesome during youtube-dl debacle. I wouldn't say they were "awesome" during the youtube-dl stuff. They were slow to respond and non-transparent about what was happening behind the scenes. Also, user's have been calling for GitHub to terminate their contract with ICE for a long time now[0] to no avail. GitHub is better than most, no doubt, when it comes t…

If there is stance to be made, it should be principled.

Today it's just companies reacting to any specific issue internet mob in social media has. They ban specific people or organizations based on mob activity.

Re: GitHub Should Start an App Store

#29
post #3

Hmmm the main issue is not an App Store. It is rather how Android is packaged. There is F-Droid type of store out there, it is just that it is not in the play store. As for iOS there really no proper way to install except jailbreaking any way. The bottom we don't need another App Store, rather a FOSS distribution of OS for Android (e.g: https://www.replicant.us/about.php ) that kind like the Debian distro for desktop…

F-Droid doesn't enroll as device administrator on your phone. I think Microsoft could easily pull that off if they wanted to which would let them push updates and manage applications the way Google does. My workplace already basically runs BYOD devices through some Microsoft Azure management thing.

Re: GitHub Should Start an App Store

#30
We need multiple app stores with legislation on providing access and default searches, much in the same way EU will require devices to allow users to select default search etc..

A good amount of competition will help solve a lot of problems, and very strongly highlight the ant-competitive practices inherent in these value chain verticalizations.

I respect Google wants to form a Union to influence who can and cannot be on YouTube, at the same time, I want absolutely nothing to do with some foreign special interest group dictating content to me, so let's have some choice, thanks.

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