Live data from Hacker News

Regulation, not technology is holding back driverless cars

nytimes.com

71–80 of 150 posts

Re: Regulation, not technology is holding back driverless cars

#71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Social stigmas are hard to sustain towards a large portion of the population." Over 90% of Americans have used illegal drugs, and yet there is still a strong stigma there. http://www.monitoringthefuture.org/pubs/monographs/vol2_2009... (C.f. page 101, as well as the methodology.)

Your phrasing of that statistic is misleading. What you mean is, "90% of Americans have used illegal drugs or used legal-drugs illegally." When you say "illegal drugs" people think of marijuana, heroin, cocaine, etc. Casually lumping in underage use of alcohol and tobacco is purposefully misleading.

Does it count underage drinking? I didn't even notice that if it does. Regardless, around 85% of Americans use marijuana alone, so it wouldn't change the statistics by more than one or two percent. So I don't see how that would be misleading.

Re: Regulation, not technology is holding back driverless cars

#72
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Londoners apparently do not feel comfortable being driven by a non-living thing." Does not surprise me. Most Europeans have not even adapted to automatic transmission in cars, and still believe that a human can switch gears better with manual transmission (which has not been true for decades now). Makes me wonder if they ever adapt to fully automated driving. (And yes, I'm saying this as a European).

Clearly that's not universally true, otherwise racing drivers would use automatic gearboxes. It may be true for everyday driving, but I'd need to see some citations for this claim. Frankly, I'm a little dubious of automatic transmission. Perhaps I've just been driving the wrong cars, but I haven't found an automatic gearbox that can match a human being. For instance, if I'm descending a steep hill, I'll stick the car…

Automatic transmissions avoid engine braking. If you want it, you need to choose it manually.

And personally I never do for the simple reason that brakes are a lot cheaper than transmissions. And I rarely descend a hill long enough and steep enough that brake heating is a serious problem. (And when I do I usually just slow down, and stay slow.)

Re: Regulation, not technology is holding back driverless cars

#73
post #4
post #2

No surprises there. The transition to driverless cars is (IMHO inevitable. At some point it will be cheap enough that the additional cost will pale in comparison to the lives that will be saved as well as the simple convenience of being able to do something else while commuting somewhere. Likewise I see this kind of thing replacing many forms of public transportation. There will simply be a fleet of cars. You'll say…

"pilots are more likely to believe erroneous instruments rather than their own senses and experience." The human brain is not setup for 3D dimensions of orientation, unless you can accurately see the horizon it's more than likely that your perception of the planes orientation and vector is wrong than the instruments. In most turbulent situations the brain is wrong and the instruments are right. This is why pilots are…

it's not just the human brain. certain g-loads at certain vectors can cause a situation where 2 different scenarios are indistinguishable without outside reference. Illustrated most famously in Einstein's elevator thought experiments.

Re: Regulation, not technology is holding back driverless cars

#74
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would make riding my motorcycle much safer, I like it.

If driverless cars start reducing the car road toll then motorbikes will start to look really dangerous:(. I suppose we could get self driving motorbikes but that would be missing the point of riding.

given that a huge proportion, maybe even the majority, are caused by people in cars turning in front of or merging into motorcyclists I doubt it.

Re: Regulation, not technology is holding back driverless cars

#75
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A friend at Union Switch and Signal told me that the Chinese subways (which can run full-auto) had to provide work for two people for each train. One guy presses a large "Go" button to leave the station, which is automatically stopped at, and there's also an emergency stop button. The other guy has an "open / close door" control.

In Chicago, there was a case some years ago where a woman was pulled under a train by a door. She was carrying a very expensive violin. She got off the train and the doors closed between her and the violin, with the strap around her shoulder. Because the strap was thin, it didn't activate the door's obstruction detector. Because the violin was so expensive, she didn't want to lose it, so instead of crawling out of th…

It's trivial to design an electronic system that would have preformed the job the human conductor was supposed to have been doing.

Hell, my garage door 20 years ago did it.

Re: Regulation, not technology is holding back driverless cars

#76
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clearly that's not universally true, otherwise racing drivers would use automatic gearboxes. It may be true for everyday driving, but I'd need to see some citations for this claim. Frankly, I'm a little dubious of automatic transmission. Perhaps I've just been driving the wrong cars, but I haven't found an automatic gearbox that can match a human being. For instance, if I'm descending a steep hill, I'll stick the car…

Automatic transmissions avoid engine braking. If you want it, you need to choose it manually. And personally I never do for the simple reason that brakes are a lot cheaper than transmissions. And I rarely descend a hill long enough and steep enough that brake heating is a serious problem. (And when I do I usually just slow down, and stay slow.)

I downshift on hills because that keeps more of my stopping power ready to use. Brakes heat up when you use them continuously, reducing their effectiveness.

Re: Regulation, not technology is holding back driverless cars

#77
post #13
post #7

Speed limits are another realm in which regulation can hold back the development of driverless cars, besides merely allowing them on the streets in the first place. With computerized drivers, it will finally be possible to fully enforce speed limits, by introducing some ceiling to the speed attainable by the car. I'm sure some "well-meaning" legislator will make it his or her priority to ensure that speed limits are…

Or they introduce a robot-only lane where the cars can decide for themselves what a safe speed it, making speed limits obsolete. When cars can communicate with each other about dangers, much higher speeds are possible with less distance between cars.

An absolutely fantastic idea. It's a shame it will never happen.

Re: Regulation, not technology is holding back driverless cars

#78
post #25

Perhaps it's because software has an obvious history of being buggy. A web service won't be down for a while if this fails, hundreds of lives being at risk on a 24 hour a day basis. Maybe a little wait-and-see is a reasoned approach for a complex interactive dynamical system like this?

I don't think there is a computer in the world that has a worse uptime than myself. Even old cheap Windows ME boxes did a fair enough job of being able to run without impairment for more than 20 hours or so.

Re: Regulation, not technology is holding back driverless cars

#79
post #2

No surprises there. The transition to driverless cars is (IMHO inevitable. At some point it will be cheap enough that the additional cost will pale in comparison to the lives that will be saved as well as the simple convenience of being able to do something else while commuting somewhere. Likewise I see this kind of thing replacing many forms of public transportation. There will simply be a fleet of cars. You'll say…

I couldn't get past the (unclosed parenthese in the second sentence. It's like my inner programmer went into OCD overload...

I couldn't get past the use of "parenthese"[] as a singular noun in the first sentence. It's like my inner pedant went into OCD overload.

1:Parenthesis :: >1:Parentheses

Re: Regulation, not technology is holding back driverless cars

#80

No state has anything close to a functioning system to inspect whether the computers in driverless cars are in good working order, much as we routinely test emissions and brake lights. Having lived in Oregon, Arizona, and California, I have never had anything other than emissions routinely inspected. Demonstrate a car smart enough to monitor its own brake pad wear, alert on burnt out bulbs, and provide a clear readou…

Can your average human driver handle any of those situations either? I wager not.

"alert on burnt out bulbs"

I'm not sure I've seen a car from the current or past 2 decades that doesn't do this...

Post reply on HN