Earlier quoted context omitted.
And don't forget the State of Oregon paid an additional $240 million for their own version of it [1]. [1] https://www.koin.com/news/oregon-oracle-settle-cover-oregon-...
Wow I’m amazed like how much money can made if you are into government contracting I’m just curious to know can you get government contracts let’s say if you are running a software agency
CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abandoned due to bugs
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Re: CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abandoned due to bugs
#142Re: CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abandoned due to bugs
#143Sometimes they hire junior programmers who would have the latest stuff in their resumes but the kids are into copying and pasting stuff from internet not knowing exactly what the code does and they don't have enough experience producing clean and bug free code themselves. Other times the top/down design produces code that lacks elegance and resembles what truck drivers would produce with too many people working on it and no one responsible for the whole thing.
Have seen that before. Not sure about this case.
Re: CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abandoned due to bugs
#144I have worked with Deloitte on two projects (on clients' side, I would never willingly work for Deloitte). Generally expect them to do absolute minimum necessary to meet the contract. The code was obfuscated to ensure support contract. The people employed to write it were not interested in the quality in the slightest but were interested a lot in specifics of the contract.
Re: CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abandoned due to bugs
#145I just don't understand these software deals, the price is so high. At 44 million, you can hire 146 engineers each paid 300k for a full year. Trust me, you need much less to build something like this, and there's no excuse for it to suck so bad. I'm also curious, anyone know where the development actually happened? Did Deloitte further subcontracted out? Was it outsourced?
>> At 44 million, you can hire 146 engineers each paid 300k for a full year. It’s Deloitte, they probably hired 100 developers for 80k and 50 project managers for 300k
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Internet Explorer has less than a 2% market share in the US, so under normal circumstances (given the sacrifices you’d have to make everywhere else) not bothering to support is is often a sensible decision. When it’s an access to healthcare issue though you can’t really exclude 2% of users. That said, building something that works well on mobile (re your point b) but also works on internet explorer is a pretty tough…
> No reason you couldn’t build a basic bitches version of the site that works on old devices, then route traffic these based on user agent. Why isn’t this just the site? I love Spartan, ugly, functional sites. That’s what the government should build, always . They should have style guidelines that are basically “no style”. You’re not competing with anyone, there’s no need to look good. Function, function, function.
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
are you also going to answer the phone calls and e-mails of thousands (potentially millions) of technology illiterate users?
I mean with $22M on the line I’m willing to at least investigate a means of doing so.
Re: CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abandoned due to bugs
#148First, I would create extremely fine grained but easy to check eligibility tiers. Going by date of birth would be the most basic solution. At any given time, vaccinations are open to people born on or before a given date. [0]
Then, I would set up real mass vaccination sites. None of this almost-all-vaccines-come-from-big-medical providers nonsense we have in most of California. The CA scheme is fundamentally inequitable -- I got an email from a medical system that told me that they would email me when it was my turn if I had seen a primary care provider in the last three years or had two specialist appointments in the last three years. This fundamentally discriminates against people without adequate insurance who haven't seen a doctor in a major medical system recently.
Mass vaccination sites would be open to anyone with a date of birth I would let major clinics administer vaccines with whatever appointment system they want, with some rules. First, the clinics may only vaccinate people who have been eligible at the mass vaccination sites for some amount of time, say two weeks. So if you want your chance first, you go to a mass vaccination site -- clinics are just for convenience. Second, the clinics only get more vaccines when they are administering an adequate amount of the vaccines they have already received.
I would track people who have been vaccinated with a database with no integrity constraints whatsoever. Each site submits a trivial machine readable form with a list of people they have vaccinated. This list gets imported to a database. Dealing with all the inevitable issues is not permitted to block actually giving vaccines. [1]
Finally, everyone who gets their first dose gets a printed (or hand-written!) card with the date of their next vaccine and a reference number that can be used to look up the card in the database. This reference number is (date, site, line at site, sequence number) -- these are supposed to match up with the end-of-day logs, but they require no central coordination. [2]
If you have a card for a second shot, it is valid at any site once it's the right time.
Damnit, this whole scheme could be done entirely without computers, and that's how it should be. It doesn't even need two-way communication -- there could literally be a section of the newspaper saying "if you were born before m/d/y, come to Dodger Stadium or Levi Field or ... and get your vaccine, no appointment needed. If you were born before m2/d2/y2, you may call this number of visit this website to make an appointment." If the whole IT infrastructure goes down, then it will be annoying but everything will continue to work.
[0] There are many possible improvements, but they should be kept simple. For example, people born on or before a given date or people with a doctor's note explaining that they have some risk factor.
[1] Pay some contract development firm to develop a nice app that scans an ID card, does all the data entry, and prints out a receipt. The app has one primary requirement: it does not print a receipt until the server acknowledges receipt of the request and commits the transaction. But make sure that, even if the app fails completely, everyone at the clinic knows how to use a piece of paper and a pen to do the same job. Or a laptop running Excel or LibreOffice -- there is no shortage of laptops around. Or a Google Sheet, etc.
[2] Of course you can cheat, but most people won't. And the logs will mostly reveal the cheaters.
Re: CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abandoned due to bugs
#149Does anyone know if this was yet another React website disaster? This is exactly the kind of website that should be built with reliable technologies. You don't need fancy animations or whatever junk the SPA style sites have. Just old style server side frameworks, minimal Javascript, standards supported HTML and CSS. The article mentioned Internet Explorer as an issue? Cross browser support is no issue if you stick to…
Re: CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abandoned due to bugs
#150When those groups talk about innovation and disruption, I often run.
The next time your government awards a tech project to tech illiterate smooth talkers, keep this in the back pocket.