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India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

#81
Truth is somewhere in between:

1. It's true that media is controlled by Government now. It wasn't the case before this government came into action.

2. It's also true that existing power nexus like these farmer brokers who are spearheading the protest. You may ask where they get their money from go continue the protest? Basically from the existing network of exporters of fruits, vegetables, grains etc... These farmering group head ask for bribes and favours and then sell government subsidized produce to select companies who rendered those favours.

But they make it as if this movement is to save the interest of the poor farmers, it's not. It's to save their own interest, they'll lose their power to ask for bribes like gst commissioners, custom officers have lost in last few months thanks to the government's faceless medium of interaction with the average citizen, no officer can put influence on a person now and convince them to offer bribes.

3. It's true that the government has brought reforms and removed medieval practises like triple talaq and polygamy for the Muslims but at the same time played hypocrite by banning beaf in multiple states. This doesn't look good at all.

Is it going in good or bad direction? Well if I compare to the governments round the globe, this government isn't really that bad. It's very hard to govern a country as large and diverse as India where multiple groups of different ethnicities and religion are trying to step on each others head to undermine others interest and fight for their own.

Many things have improved in infrastructure since this government came.

4. While they brought GST with goal to remove multiple taxation on good and services at every step of value addition. They've brought taxes on fuel to high, which if you look closely is also a "multiple taxation" at every step of production. So what gives? It means government simply failed to fund itself without this excessive taxation in production.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

#82
post #5

Sadly as much as I hate seeing essential communication links cut, though I don't have any data I am assuming a lot of people are going to buy in the public safety angle. It is not like the Indian state hasn't used that line of reasoning before for even bans lasting more than a year. Reading through the linked article on the violence related to the same protests that happened few days back reminded me of some tweets I…

It's so interesting that in your mind that you'll draw a connection between attacking the police and the US Capitol "insurrection" (which is complete propaganda spin by the way), while ignoring the political dissidents from your side attacking the police (and our communities) across the country for the entire summer that we had to sit through.

It's also interesting that you say it's bad to cut off their communication while cheering on de-platforming, banning, censoring the other half of the country you live in.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

#83
When you see egg fighting the wall, I always stand with the eggs and listen.

When they say public safety I would think of nazi, hk under china, ... and whilst my mind is open, I will start with the farmers.

I may be wrong. The reading about Muslim women in here seems to tell a different story. And india is a democracy.

Hope it resolve peacefully. And cutting mobile is ... wrong.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

#84
Humanitarians around the world should support Indian farmers.India is a so-called democracy, in fact the rights of minorities and oppressed people are greatly oppressed here.Let's fulfill our duty as human beings and become the voice of Indian farmers.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

#85

BBC is heavily biased against India esp. against current government. It never publishes any good thing about india and belittles any progress made by India. It should appreciate that even passing the farm bill by the govt which is in majority, it is ready to negotiate. This is true democracy where just for the sake of 1-2 states, govt has put the reforms on hold. People should also understand that there is also forei…

But you do fail to mention that the true democracy passed the bill without proper discussion and also with a voice vote even when the opposition asked for a division vote. Then there is the thing that even when the said governement is willing to discuss, they are not really ready to compromise.

This is just the tip of the iceberg and I don't want to go on to a full length rant here on HN on a political post. But I believe that the media should always be against the government first. And not like Indian media which are dubbed as Godi media because it is so biased for the government, even reporting fake news at times.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

#86

Truth is somewhere in between: 1. It's true that media is controlled by Government now. It wasn't the case before this government came into action. 2. It's also true that existing power nexus like these farmer brokers who are spearheading the protest. You may ask where they get their money from go continue the protest? Basically from the existing network of exporters of fruits, vegetables, grains etc... These farmeri…

> which if you look closely is also a "multiple taxation" at every step of production.

Seems odd if true. In most countries GST/VAT/Sales Tax is deductible for everyone except the consumer.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

#87

Truth is somewhere in between: 1. It's true that media is controlled by Government now. It wasn't the case before this government came into action. 2. It's also true that existing power nexus like these farmer brokers who are spearheading the protest. You may ask where they get their money from go continue the protest? Basically from the existing network of exporters of fruits, vegetables, grains etc... These farmeri…

> It's also true that existing power nexus like these farmer brokers who are spearheading the protest. You may ask where they get their money from go continue the protest? Basically from the existing network of exporters of fruits, vegetables, grains etc... These farmering group head ask for bribes and favours and then sell government subsidized produce to select companies who rendered those favours.

Can you please address the issues highlighted by the farmers instead of speculating on where they obtain funding from? In particular how will the passage of the farm bills prevent this practice that you claim exists? As I see it, it would just allow large players to gobble up the competition (ala Jio).

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

#88

Just don’t bother trying to understand Indian politics, especially if are living outside the country. It is a mess beyond any understanding and just a waste of time.

This seems like the wrong way to go for a site made to gratify intellectual curiosity.

If you know you know..

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

#89

Truth is somewhere in between: 1. It's true that media is controlled by Government now. It wasn't the case before this government came into action. 2. It's also true that existing power nexus like these farmer brokers who are spearheading the protest. You may ask where they get their money from go continue the protest? Basically from the existing network of exporters of fruits, vegetables, grains etc... These farmeri…

> Truth is somewhere in between

In current case it’s not somewhere in between, it’s just my way or highway kind.

If you understand the nuances, India has many special laws for every community like Muslim, in India there is a Hindu marriage act which has many inconsistency so your point 3 is not correct. All those reforms are targeted at specific community to promote a narrative which follows dictatorial style to follow a specific Hindu way of living (inspired by Nazi, supremacy of Aryans).

India is in a downward spiral on every measure which matters like mal-nourishment, infant mortality , poverty (i.e. HDI), education, economic development, healthcare even before COVID-19. This is made worse by the pandemic. This is not somewhere in between enough research and UN data is available to verify it. Neighbouring countries of India did much better in many parameters.

Current protests of farmers are a result of disrespecting India’s diversity and consensus based approach. If you look at the actual text of the reforms there are two sides and government should have put this text for consultations and than accommodated the changes. They didn’t go through the process, just diluted it and rammed through the reforms taking advantage of pandemic lockdowns.

You can read many accounts how constitutional safeguards were diluted or twisted to pass many so called reforms, this is the reason of widespread prolonged outrage. There might be some vested interest trying to take advantage of this, but that’s due to authoritarian non-consensus based approach.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

#90
post #5

Sadly as much as I hate seeing essential communication links cut, though I don't have any data I am assuming a lot of people are going to buy in the public safety angle. It is not like the Indian state hasn't used that line of reasoning before for even bans lasting more than a year. Reading through the linked article on the violence related to the same protests that happened few days back reminded me of some tweets I…

Language is Hindi.main stream media no showing this. This link shows how police let govt sponsored rioters attack sitting protesters https://twitter.com/antiitcelltask1/status/13551173784728412... This link shows before roits, govt person who is part of mob shaking hand with police before stone pelting at farmers protesting https://twitter.com/gs_atwal/status/1355103467124174849?s=21 Now they intrude inside the site where protesters are camping provoking protesters by destruction https://twitter.com/immak02/status/1355124797202595841?s=21 Police helping rioters and then pulling a farmer who come out to defend with sword And beating along with govt sponsored rioters

https://twitter.com/rajbirk08499553/status/13554995166784798...

https://twitter.com/_dsbofficial/status/1355499255985790983?...

https://twitter.com/specialkbrook/status/1355446339946106881...

Police braking cctv to erase evidence https://twitter.com/gsmanes/status/1355171604896993287?s=21

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