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We've just published an official blog post updating on the situation at https://element.io/blog/element-on-google-play-store/ which we'll keep updated as things progress.
Did you think to maybe give your article a more self-explanatory title? It's harder to spread the message when the primary qualified source for this is titled "Element on Google Play Store" instead of maybe "Element (Matrix chat app) banned on Google Play Store".
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Yes, but IMO the Matrix team should _really_ focus on Dendrite since Synapse is extremely resource hungry and prevents a lot of people (including me) from running their own servers.
It's not that resource hungry anymore. Hovering stably around 500M RSS and 8% CPU for me right now. That's with ~25 users and a lot of federated, public rooms, some of them quite large.
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I'm really upset that this happened to you folks, and it's scary, because incident could just as easily have happened to us at Zulip (or any other OSS app that connects to self-hosted servers!). I expect we'll never get a useful explanation from Google for why this incident happened -- abuse teams, like fraud teams, are worried about the bad guys using the explanations to tune their tactics and so tend to never expla…
If you accept that (1) there is a substantial amount of mal-content that Google should censor, and (2) a key use case for federated messaging platforms is to evade censorship, and that (3) client applications can be functionally part of a federated messaging platform while legally separate from it, then those client applications are fair game to be censored when they deliver mal-content. Now I may disagree with parts…
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>Everyone tries to push their burden of moderation on people below them, because no one can actually keep up with it. And if the moderation is not enforced, they risk being taken down by someone above them. That would explain why everyone is so trigger happy when it comes to censorship. When the WallStreetBets people were taken down by Facebook and Discord, they didn't ban the individuals who were actually violating…
But as of right now Telegram and Signal is still up, isn't it? Though they're already being slandered in the media, so you might have a point here. To support my explanation, see for example this: https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/25/21532883/paypal-cuts-tie... PayPal terminated Epik's account, because they refused to kick out Gab. I believe there were a couple more cases where the money people pressured companies to…
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Do not paint deplatforming as unequivocally bad thing. Most decentralized platforms (mastodon, IPFS, XMPP, Matrix...) have mechanisms to block and defederate unwanted accounts/contents/servers: racism and hate speech, CP, spam, malware Many people don't want government-driven censorship but are very happy with community-driven policies and guidelines.
Once you throw in "hate speech" you are just saying that censorship of things you don't like is ok.
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... but in which typical client sessions look like Slack sessions, and the clients are typically heavy and slow and you would not enjoy running them on weak hardware :-(
There are a number of different clients to choose from, including web-based, electron-based, native, terminal: https://matrix.org/clients/
The browser is a resource hog :-(
> electron-based
Essentially a browser under the hood, but separate from your actual browser :-(
> native,
I tried a few of those last year, and had all sorts of trouble, but I guess it's time to give them another shot! Can any of them be made to behave and look like IRC chats? Not screens full of mostly white space?
IIRC however - Element is not a native client.
> terminal
That's good :-)
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I use the app to chat with my mom. My mom is not going to install F-Droid or whatever. This comment reminds me of the famous dropbox comment on HN.
Care to share the famous comment for those not in the know?
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To be honest, advertising DOES work on me, but only insomuch as it alerts me to potential things. I presume all ads are lies, and research the thing before I by. I have a strong anti-authority reflex and trust VERY little (if anything) on face value. I don't even trust myself. "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool.”
> I don't even trust myself But you trust yourself so much that "advertising DOES work on me, but only insomuch as it alerts me to potential things" That sounds a bit contradictory to me. (I think I could describe myself somewhat like you did in the latter part, and I still have absolutely no illusions that ads would not be able to get me. So I just actively try to avoid them. And I do not need or want anyone to aler…
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F-Droid bans apps for “hate speech” too[1]. Any mastodon app that refused to blacklist Gab got banned from F-Droid or something like that. It is the perfect example of why I don’t even bother with federated projects. It’s just “wouldn’t it be great if _I_ were in charge?” If that’s the situation, I’d rather Big Tech be in charge because at least they have some name recognition and hierarchy for decision making. Nobod…
This is mostly untrue. There was no requirement to blacklist gab. Mastodon clients on f-droid are allowed let users use Gab. What f-droid does not allow is apps preconfigured to connect to Gab, or who's primary purpose is to connect to Gab. There was even a petition to have fdroid remove an app (fedilab) that had a blacklist to disallow Gab then removed it, claiming that removing Gab from the blacklist was specifical…
That's cutting the hair mightily fine.