Good bye free speech. Hello unbridled control and censorship.
Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store
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Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store
#252Earlier quoted context omitted.
I understand that. I still maintain it's sad that removing Facebook/Google can have any significant drop in your quality of life. And by significant, I mean one where you're willing to debate about it. I like to keep my happiness as far as possible from the services that some soulless multinational provides.
Maybe their quality of life is increased by not having to spend part of their life (and possibly money - I can't think of a free Gmail alternative that's not as bad as Gmail's practices) searching for services that are at least as good as what they currently use?
> I can't think of a free Gmail alternative that's not as bad as Gmail's practices
Protonmail comes to mind:
Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store
#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
You, like Parler, have been targeted by the powers that be. You may have nothing else in common other than that but, you're in the same boat it seems.
Parler curated the content on their platform for months including shadowbanning new accounts until they had been approved by volunteer moderators. Accounts on Parler called for and planned violence against elected officials for months. Executives at the company spoke often and publicly supporting that content. If your going to argue with a straight face the this new situation is the same as Parler, your putting Eleme…
Op said they there is nothing else in common.
They are in the same boat as parler in the sense that another communication platform not owned by a big corp is being targeted and removed.
Matrix likely will come back for some of the reasons you mention . But fact is google and apple arbitrarily without warning or notice remove apps from their store. The stores should be considered utility like electricity google should not able to refuse service randomly.
Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store
#254Remind me again what Fascism is and tell me how this isn't fascist.
There is a good difference between anticompetitive corporate practices (that may feel quasi authoritarian) The ideology of fascism which divides people into camps of others/enemies and us/victims, portraying the 'other' as keeping "keeping us from returning to our rightful status, like in our glorious past". Fascism is usually used by a singular leader to sow fear and deep resentment that allows for social/political…
Uhhh so we have already divided the public to groups (by skin color, gender and religion even!), we constantly talk about how Christian White males have been opressing the other groups for centuries and keep them from their rightful status, which made it really comfy for our corporate overlords because identity politics pit the plebes against each other and completely took over class warfare, which was the thing that really threatened them.
One thing that differs is the degree of discrimination being much lower, which really helps longevity for these politics of division. Men can take it, because the current situation for them isn't that bad.
Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store
#255Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm convinced they think they'll be billionaires one day and so always jump to their defense.
No one is convinced of that. Do you only advocate for things because you’re afraid you’ll be in the same position someday?
Well I can't think of a better explanation why so many people jump to these corporation's defense when they do something this immoral and damaging.
Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store
#256I wonder if there is a way we place these App Store decisions into the hands of a third party. Either that or break Android away from Google and forbid them from colluding.
It would already help if the rules of the app stores were decided by a parliament. And kicking a provider out of the store requires a court ruling.
Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store
#257I hope more apps start allowing to directly download an .apk file from their website. I don't have Google Play Services or the Play store installed on my phone nor do I want to install them. Yes, it's my responsibility to update the app, whatever, just give me the file.
Then how do you get instant messaging notifications?
Through non-google message brokers.
The problem is that this requires a long running background connection.
And guess what Google tried to kill for battery saving purpose since a long time (long running mostly sleeping background processes). But then on Google in difference to Apple it's still possible (but less reliable) with the right setup and fully possible with a "proper" de-googled phone.
So depending on your setup you might either:
- not get notifications
- get them unreliable
- only get them if the app is open
- get them just fine
Also this might change from app to app, there clearly will be apps which will not have any 3rd party notification broker fallback, but given how Google doesn't have 100% delivicery guarantees they still should have (potential delayed) message syncing when the app is open.
Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store
#258Earlier quoted context omitted.
No one is convinced of that. Do you only advocate for things because you’re afraid you’ll be in the same position someday?
Well I can't think of a better explanation why so many people jump to these corporation's defense when they do something this immoral and damaging.
Perhaps they like the value proposition and would like to continue participating in the mutually beneficial transaction with these corporations as we all should in a free society. Your opinion is not more valid than your opponents’. “Immoral” is highly subjective.
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#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which one? The one also made by Google, the one paid for by Google, ones of those based on the one made by Google, or the one made by the other smartphone OS owner with a walled garden?
Here's a short list of some browser engines that are not based on google's or paid for by google: Webkit: [1] It's a thousand times easier to compile and was the original base for chromium Servo: [2] This is much more recent, I haven't looked lately (until today) but it looks to be making rapid forward progress Elinks: [3] and friends, these are more capable than you'd think (hackernews works, even if you don't build…
“Surprisingly easy to wrote your own engine”
Could you explain that part to me because because I’d guess at at least 150 man-years to get a PoC.
Servo was started at 2012 and I think it had full time employees so it’s at least 8 man years to get to that state (I’d guess it was a lot of people in the team, but as a minimum).
Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store
#260It appears they've also removed Pattle, but Ditto and FluffyChat are still available at this time.
Odd that they'd only remove half of the Matrix clients available...