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Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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My company is headquartered in Cupertino, CA and I live and work in Dallas, TX. The obvious pros are I don't need to commute or really drive at all, I can work from bed (probably doesn't matter to most, but I've got 10 screws in my spine from past surgeries and it matters to me), and I can live in a 3,000 square foot 4-story townhouse within spitting distance of downtown for less than my sisters in California pay for…

If your health requires you to work from bed, why do you live in a 4-storey house?

s/he probably isn't bedridden, just needs that position in order to be in front of a screen 8+ hours per day.

I've got neck problems and a similar situation. I can sit at a normal desk bolt-upright for a few hours, but not a whole day. For long coding stretches I don't lie down but rather use a weird custom chair I built myself that has my back at about a 45-degree angle to the ground. My leg-torso angle is still 90 degrees, but (important part) the angle between my torso and jaw is much much less than 90 degrees. It requires a somewhat elaborate monitor arrangement (I like huge 4k screens) based on a repurposed adjustable-height standing desk.

I can't imagine this setup working in one of those now-ubiquitous "open office plan" places.

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

#92

I want to ask a question to the group, too. How do the companies headquartered in SF and NYC and places like that decide your salary and if you are in a cheaper locale? Do they give you a lower salary, are taxes weird, is there an awkward conversation with HR? Has anyone moved from an expensive place to a cheaper place and dealt with awkward company reactions (HR)?

Some companies have released salary percentiles (relative to HQ) for the adjustment to remote. For example, a company in the Bay Area published this for total comp. Most companies seem to be following similarly:

Bay Area: 93%

NY: 93%

Seattle: 92%

Los Angeles: 91%

Boston: 91%

San Diego: 88%

Denver: 86%

Chicago: 85%

Portland: 83%

Philadelphia: 83%

Atlanta: 83%

Minneapolis: 83%

Austin: 82%

Florida: 81%

Salt Lake City: 81%

Phoenix: 81%

Washington: 80%

Detroit: 80%

Houston: 80%

RTP: 80%

Ohio: 80%

Vancouver: 73%

No matter where you are, it won't go below 70%

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

#93
Pros of remote..

generally less bench warming, you do a good job, make people happy, no one is going to miss you if you take a two hour walk in the middle of the day to enjoy the world around you. Or any number of other activities you may choose to do.

Depending on your meetings you could pretty much work from anywhere. Generally though it can be frustrating to work without a place set aside to do so after awhile.

In your shoes, post covid, I might stay in fun places for a month at a time and come back to the kids or take them with if you can.

Cons... It's easy to get stuck in what feels like the twilight zone. More so than the office. It's really important, especially if you are alone, to make time for social activities and exercise. Laughs and strength help avoid what could feel like a very isolated life otherwise.

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

#94

As a new engineer, onsite is a better career option because it will create more robust bonds in your professional network. Who you know matters. Being onsite will also probably generate more what-you-know as well simply by virtue of casual interaction. There's nothing wrong with remote in theory, but it simply does not provide equivalent networking potential to physical interaction. You can always go remote later. Go…

+1. Software development is as much a social activity as it is an individual pursuit. A big part of social activity is in person interaction some deliberate and some incidental like just watching someone explain a tricky design problem during lunch in a casual conversation.

I learnt so much during first three years of my career just by being around some of the most brilliant engineers. As an added bonus some of those became my life long friends or go-to mentors even though our careers have long since diverged.

I guess the true consequences (both good and bad) of full remote will begin to emerge in about 5 years from now.

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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Howdy neighbor! I also work for an SF company everyone knows about and I moved to Sarasota a couple of years ago. It's the best financial decision I've ever made. Your analysis is spot on, and the Amish food is amazing. Also, I'm a night owl and now I can work from like 12pm-9pm. Working on west coast time while living on the east coast is a major life improvement for me. If anyone is considering moving to FL and buy…

I have recently started considering Florida (from Seattle). What is the advantage of Sarasota over larger metropolitan area like Tampa? We are in early 30ies, and would love to be able to walk to the ocean/gulf beach a few times a week, have a symmetric fiber Internet at home, and people to hang out with for music/games/geekery.

In general you want to pick where you live based on property values, flood zone, average hurricane damage, proximity to work, and convenience to other things (like the beach you mention). But almost universally you will be driving everywhere, so don't worry too much about it. Florida is one giant concrete strip mall on top of a swamp. So in general, figure out where you will hang out the most or with whom, and be near there. But also plan to drive a lot. Do you want there to be sidewalks connecting you to the beach / grocery store / etc? Again you'll have to search for those, as it's weird not to drive everywhere. And people on bicycles are seen more as target practice than pedestrians.

Large metros like Tampa are full of crime and traffic. If you want a "nice" walk to the beach, or you don't want your car broken into, you are much better off in a less dense area like Sarasota, Fort Myers, etc. But if you want to hit a few bars/clubs, get a little drunk, and have a short cab ride home, you'll want to be closer to a metro area. Otherwise you may have a 50 minute drive home after hitting a bar with some friends.

Florida is famous for attracting just a few kinds of people, so if you aren't in a part of the state full of your kind of people, you may bump up against culture clash. Research neighborhoods in each area to see which one you might fit in with. But also remember that the "Florida Man" isn't just a meme, it's one of your neighbors.

I grew up in Florida, and I really hate it. I don't understand why anyone but a retiree would move there. There's nothing to do other than sit in your sterile air conditioned house, go to the beach, go to a bar, or get high. And the people are terrible. I still go back for vacation though. It's like a bad ex I keep texting just to remember why I left. Oh, right... you're dead inside.

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

#96
I know a lot of people working remotely for either themselves (as consultants) or for companies in the bay area. Sometimes from random place in the US, sometimes from random places in the world. I also work remotely, and have worked remotely, for big corps. I don't see this as a career limiter at all, it's much less stressful to do presentations/meetings remotely, it's also much easier to control your own time. You also save more, if you don't live in a big city. Now, if you like living in a big city, then of course it sucks, but the other side is that you spend most of your time at home so it's nice to have a bigger home with an office.

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

#97
I've been in the consulting / field service part of a major tech company for 10 years. I've been remote for 6 of them and remote with minimal travel for 4. I started remote because we wanted to move closer to family (and ended up closer to my wife’s family.) That part has been brilliant- I think it’s been very good for my kids to grow up close to at least one set of grandparents and I like my in laws*

Mostly is been really good - my team is fully remote, we are supportive of each other, and we take time to be human (chit-chat, complain, etc), which can be a problem remotely.

One thing I’ve learned is that you have to be more intentional in your communication. Yes, everyone is only an IM away, but not being able to see someone in there office brings communication changes. I’ve found it helpful to try to pull more communication out of people (“let’s screen share, it’ll be easier”).

On the work-life balance side is also been really good for the most part. I have a physically separate workspace (a converted garden shed) and little ones that make sure I’m done at 5p and stay done. I do miss in person coworker chats and hangouts at times, but I’ve been able to substitute other relationships over time.

One surprising “drawback” is the increased flexibility I have working remotely means I tend to get stuck with a lot more home chores than my wife. We do share some responsibility, especially during covid, but it’s both reasonable and expected that I get to deal with the majority of the childcare or dealing with workmen, etc.

Another problem, for me at least, is that I do feel trapped at times. My current job pays well above the market rate in my area and I have not heard of any remote alternatives with similar compensation for my skillset. This wouldn’t be as much of a problem in a tech hub.

Overall though, I wouldn’t want to go back to commuting. WFH means at least an extra hour a day or more, and I feel like it makes it much easier to engage with other things I love like my family and the outdoors.

* in the off chance my parents read this- I like you MORE, but you know why I ended up where I did. Retire and move here :)

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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I’ve worked remotely for 15 years, variously in a bustling major city with a startup scene and currently do so in a small seaside town a few minutes from the beach. Quality of life depends where in life you are. City is better for meeting people, seaside town for raising children. Remote work is generally good for work-life balance, nobody cares if I stay at home with a sick child or finish early for a school play, b…

new grad here. any city and seaside town recommendations?

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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I’ve worked remotely for 15 years, variously in a bustling major city with a startup scene and currently do so in a small seaside town a few minutes from the beach. Quality of life depends where in life you are. City is better for meeting people, seaside town for raising children. Remote work is generally good for work-life balance, nobody cares if I stay at home with a sick child or finish early for a school play, b…

Are you me? I also work in ML and am raising a child in a small seaside town. Your comments are very similar to my experience. I was told going remote and leaving the city was career suicide, but it's been quite the opposite. The amount of assumed travel (pre-covid) was a bummer and often happened at inconvenient times at multiple companies, but I still wouldn't trade it. I never talk about tech outside of work, whic…

new grad here. any city and seaside town recommendations?

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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I live in Sarasota County, FL and work remotely for a company in San Francisco that everyone here knows about. Sarasota is a city of less than 60k inhabitants, but the surrounding area houses 20 minutes from me is an international airport, and New York City is this less than 3 hours away. Tampa is an hour to the north by car, and Miami is a 3 hour drive away. Orlando with its theme parks is 2 hours away, and I like t…

> You might be surprised to find out that when people’s living quarters don’t occupy every inch of land in sight, it turns out that everyone can live comfortably and cleanly.

I'm not sure how to take that. Given the rest of your post I took that as people are at each other throats because they live too close but there are plenty of big densely packed cities were people get along with each other and "live comfortably and cleanly". That SF or NYC is not one of those has nothing to do with density.

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