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Re: Samsung’s lawyers demand to see the iPhone 5 and iPad 3

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My brother's first reaction when he saw my galaxy S was 'Wow, they don't even pretend they don't copy Apple anymore.' The phone has an uncanny similar look to the iPhone 3G. I think Apple had a legitimate case and don't understand all the Samsung love here. Apple wanting to see samsung's upcoming model to see if they are again copying, so they can get a jump on the lawsuit? I say 'fair'. Samsung copied the shit out o…

I have both, and I don't think they are too similar. Surely they've got the same form, as in large display, no keyboard, but the iPhone wasn't the first phone with this design. Otherwise the look&feel is different.

Re: Samsung’s lawyers demand to see the iPhone 5 and iPad 3

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My brother's first reaction when he saw my galaxy S was 'Wow, they don't even pretend they don't copy Apple anymore.' The phone has an uncanny similar look to the iPhone 3G. I think Apple had a legitimate case and don't understand all the Samsung love here. Apple wanting to see samsung's upcoming model to see if they are again copying, so they can get a jump on the lawsuit? I say 'fair'. Samsung copied the shit out o…

I have both, and I don't think they are too similar. Surely they've got the same form, as in large display, no keyboard, but the iPhone wasn't the first phone with this design. Otherwise the look&feel is different.

I beg you, please name the phone with this design which was released before iPhone. Just take a look how different Galaxy S is: http://images.intomobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Sams...

Re: Samsung’s lawyers demand to see the iPhone 5 and iPad 3

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What a complete nonsense. The industry moves in certain directions, and everyone is inspired by everyone else. Because there is a thriving legal industry, they call iit "stealing ideas" and "copying". There is no such thing as original design, every design is based on previous designs and adds small new things.

The only group really benefitting are the lawyers and their surrounding workers. Not our innovating tech industry.

Re: Samsung’s lawyers demand to see the iPhone 5 and iPad 3

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They make themselves look silly/incompetent/time wasters in front of the judge. Even if you are not a lawyer, you probably realize you should not piss off a judge.

Really? Why? Do judges talk to each other about what companies are time-wasters and base their judgments on related smalltalk? If not (and I assume the answer is no, despite my relative lack of legal knowledge), then what has Samsung or any other company to lose besides a few dollars?

Spoilers: it's the same judge.

Re: Samsung’s lawyers demand to see the iPhone 5 and iPad 3

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If the final versions aren’t available, Samsung wants “the most current version of each to be produced instead.” Given that Apple hasn't announced an iPad 3 or an iPhone 5, what are the odds they simply ship Samsung's lawyers an iPad 2 and an iPhone 4 and call it good?

If they are actually working on the iPad 3 or iPhone 5, it would not be wise to ignore a court order and ship something else.

Re: Samsung’s lawyers demand to see the iPhone 5 and iPad 3

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post #23

What a complete nonsense. The industry moves in certain directions, and everyone is inspired by everyone else. Because there is a thriving legal industry, they call iit "stealing ideas" and "copying". There is no such thing as original design, every design is based on previous designs and adds small new things. The only group really benefitting are the lawyers and their surrounding workers. Not our innovating tech in…

Generally most people agree that there is a point at which copying too closely is literally "too close" legally. Some people dispute this, they are not in the majority.

Generally people would agree that Apple is entitled to these same protections.

Generally people would agree that every other non-kirf vendor differentiates their product quite a bit moreso then Samsung has, at least on certain products.

This does not mean Samsung has crossed the line of going too close. It just means they are a lot closer to that line then others.

Re: Samsung’s lawyers demand to see the iPhone 5 and iPad 3

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My brother's first reaction when he saw my galaxy S was 'Wow, they don't even pretend they don't copy Apple anymore.' The phone has an uncanny similar look to the iPhone 3G. I think Apple had a legitimate case and don't understand all the Samsung love here. Apple wanting to see samsung's upcoming model to see if they are again copying, so they can get a jump on the lawsuit? I say 'fair'. Samsung copied the shit out o…

The question isn't whether samsung decided to build iphone-like phones. Everyone can see that they did, the galaxy devices look way too similar. The question is whether they directly copied it, and apple has legal protection. I don't think they do. I don't think you can claim that samsung directly copied the iphone, either in general or in specifics.

First, in general. Did apple invent the "all touch" category? No. The earliest all-touch smartphone with on-screen keyboard is IBM's Simon, from 1992: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Simon . Did Apple then invent finger-friendly glossy UI's with capacitive touch screens? No. See for example the LG KE850 (prada phone), which was first demoed a year before the iphone: http://www.oopshi.nl/images/ke850-prada-oopshi-nl.jpg . Note that LG threatened to sue Apple for copying the prada phone's design: http://www.applematters.com/article/the-iphone-lawsuits/

The iphone's grid layout that launches apps is merely an evolution in a long history, starting at the newton, through palm, back to apple: http://www.applegazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/inter... . I used to have a palmpilot pro, and you can clearly tell that the iphone's designers learned a lot from that UI. So, when talking about the general design, there's nothing in there that originated in the iphone. So, if there's nothing that apple can claim ownership on in the general case, let's look at specifics.

Apple isn't suing for the general UI design, because they learned early on that it isn't protected when they tried the same thing to protect the mac interface (which they themselves copied from Xerox): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microso... . Instead they're suing for the distinctive design of the icons on the iphone. And, well, I don't think they're copied. Inspired by, yes, but direct copies they are not: http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4dadf745ccd1d5aa3f1... .

If anything can be learned from all of this it's that history is written by the winners, and that everyone stands on the shoulders of giants. If it were me, I'd do away with patents entirely. No point to them really, not if you look at how preciously little there is that's actually original in any innovative product.

Re: Samsung’s lawyers demand to see the iPhone 5 and iPad 3

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post #16

You would think Samsung could sue Apple for making a phone that plays music the Samsung SGH-M100 was released seven years before the iPhone. I wanted a Samsung SGH-M100 so bad but there were rumours the battery would vet hot, swell up and possibly explode.

I believe that Ericsson and Nokia own a few patents on ringtones. A phone that plays music, like an MP3 player may not be all that patentable, but what counts as a novel idea now is really different than a decade ago.

Re: Samsung’s lawyers demand to see the iPhone 5 and iPad 3

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My brother's first reaction when he saw my galaxy S was 'Wow, they don't even pretend they don't copy Apple anymore.' The phone has an uncanny similar look to the iPhone 3G. I think Apple had a legitimate case and don't understand all the Samsung love here. Apple wanting to see samsung's upcoming model to see if they are again copying, so they can get a jump on the lawsuit? I say 'fair'. Samsung copied the shit out o…

Similarity/convention is actually a good thing for the consumer - as long as it is by sound design.

Re: Samsung’s lawyers demand to see the iPhone 5 and iPad 3

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My brother's first reaction when he saw my galaxy S was 'Wow, they don't even pretend they don't copy Apple anymore.' The phone has an uncanny similar look to the iPhone 3G. I think Apple had a legitimate case and don't understand all the Samsung love here. Apple wanting to see samsung's upcoming model to see if they are again copying, so they can get a jump on the lawsuit? I say 'fair'. Samsung copied the shit out o…

Apple went through this before with MS..looks are not patentable..
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