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A framework that makes things worse on purpose

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Re: A framework that makes things worse on purpose

#53

Sometimes I wonder what the point of those web frameworks are. I find them harder to use than plain HTML/CSS/JS.

Frameworks are excessive for documents and presentations. They start to shine in development of apps, where you have to wrangle views, manage data bindings and react to user input in nontrivial ways. It's possible to roll out your own boilerplate and utility methods, but it's almost always counterproductive - this is not a part of task you have at hand and you'll miss on structure and conventions invented by framework team that really had resources to do it.

Re: A framework that makes things worse on purpose

#54
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Love the .idea directory in the repository (despite large .gitignore) and how you lie about package-lock.json. PwC, or Accenture would charge 5mln EUR for it and be perfectly self-confident about it.

Yeah and at Accenture there would be one person in the whole company that knows anything about the internals. Oh, and they left the firm 3 months ago.

> Oh, and they left the firm 3 months ago.

Hey, that's a EUR 300/h worth senior consultant!

Re: A framework that makes things worse on purpose

#55
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Imagine a C compiler that produced sarcastically formatted assembly

Now I suddenly wonder what sarcastic assembly looks like! XOR swaps instead temporary variables everywhere? Jump tables for simple if/elses? Moving the stack pointer up and down for no reason, just because you can?

Re: A framework that makes things worse on purpose

#57

Making it look like you're doing things poorly when you're doing exactly what you intend to do is a real skill. It's the basis of a lot of circus acts. Making your files extremely large to mock modern web dev is maybe a little bit esoteric of a joke to be compared to someone pretending like they can't control a unicycle though. What this comparison says about modern web dev I'll leave as an exercise to the reader.

It’s all a matter of perspective. When I saw the title I immediately thought Angular JS. Many, possibly most, UX developers cannot actually do their jobs. Instead they are hired to use some crappy framework to outsource the required competency. For many of these people dependency on some bullshit framework is the expected reality and anything different must then be poor execution... all objective metrics aside.

Yeah, I see it all the time. Just the other day I found out some coworkers were using this fancy framework called "C" to build their programs. The produced assembly was way overcomplicated and impossible to read. Talk about job security!

Re: A framework that makes things worse on purpose

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It’s all a matter of perspective. When I saw the title I immediately thought Angular JS. Many, possibly most, UX developers cannot actually do their jobs. Instead they are hired to use some crappy framework to outsource the required competency. For many of these people dependency on some bullshit framework is the expected reality and anything different must then be poor execution... all objective metrics aside.

Yeah, I see it all the time. Just the other day I found out some coworkers were using this fancy framework called "C" to build their programs. The produced assembly was way overcomplicated and impossible to read. Talk about job security!

Forcing people to perform in ways that are measurably inefficient by several orders of magnitude and punishing people who step out of line is the very nature of imposing job security.

I intentionally stare out of the window letting my life drift away while at the office only because I value my job security. If I wanted to do original innovative work for compensation I wouldn't be a UX developer.

Re: A framework that makes things worse on purpose

#59

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Back in t get late 90ies I wrote my markup in XML and be then used mod_perl to transform it to XHTML using XSLT on the fly. But to be extra 1337, I renamed my index.html file to index.xml,

Btw the mod_perl XML server was called AxKit. I don’t think anyone even remembers it.

I remember it!
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