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A small, delayed avalanche may have been responsible for the Dyatlov Incident

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Re: A small, delayed avalanche may have been responsible for the Dyatlov Incident

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Post by aggie »

srge wrote: post #15
folli wrote: post #3

The actual scientific paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-020-00081-8/ Still no explanation about the "numerous unexplained observations. While hypothermia was determined to be the main cause of death, four hikers had severe thorax or skull injuries, two were found with missing eyes and one without tongue; some were almost naked and barefoot, traces of radioactivity were found on some of their clothes, and…

Why are you downvoted? This is not at all a simple theory. It’s interesting but it defies the Occam’s razor principle. It would involve a very specific combination of natural events. So-called skeptics will spend their lives trying to explain very strange things with everyday normal causes such as « swamp gas » or « reflection on the windshield » when obviously a larger curiosity and openness of mind would be require…

Occam's razor does not actually mean the simplest explanation is correct. If that was the case you could explain anything with "a wizard did it." Occam's razor says that if you have 2 possible explanations, but one adds unnecessary clauses, the one with only the necessary clauses is more likely right.

For example, two explanations: 1. There was an avalanche and birds ate the soft tissue 2. There was an avalanche, birds ate the soft tissue, and Mars was in retrograde

Occam's razor tells you the first explanation is more likely to be correct. It does not tell you 4 or 5 natural events occurring can't be the best explanation if there isn't a more parsimonious alternative explanation.

Re: A small, delayed avalanche may have been responsible for the Dyatlov Incident

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Post by ajuc »

srge wrote: post #15
folli wrote: post #3

The actual scientific paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-020-00081-8/ Still no explanation about the "numerous unexplained observations. While hypothermia was determined to be the main cause of death, four hikers had severe thorax or skull injuries, two were found with missing eyes and one without tongue; some were almost naked and barefoot, traces of radioactivity were found on some of their clothes, and…

Why are you downvoted? This is not at all a simple theory. It’s interesting but it defies the Occam’s razor principle. It would involve a very specific combination of natural events. So-called skeptics will spend their lives trying to explain very strange things with everyday normal causes such as « swamp gas » or « reflection on the windshield » when obviously a larger curiosity and openness of mind would be require…

Occam's razor prefers the hypothesis with less asumptions that still agrees with all the observations.

H0 assumes that:

- there's intelligent life out there

- that life is close enough to visit Earth

- it's interested in us enough to secretly do weird things to us

- but for some reason hides from our governments/scientists

- and manages to avoid them

- but for some reason regular people can sometimes catch it

- but never on a cellphone

- it came to that particular place and did these particular things

H1 only assumes a lot of things we already know exist and can happen (like hypothermia and scavengers) - happened at once.

Re: A small, delayed avalanche may have been responsible for the Dyatlov Incident

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Post by detaro »

garmaine wrote: post #20
stretchcat wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take a closer look at roadkill the next few times you see it. You'll often notice the eyes, tongue, etc are missing. Sometimes the corpse will look like a skeleton with skin but no organs. These are circumstances commonly attributed to aliens or cuppracabra attacking cattle. However it's very common in roadkill when you start to look for it. It's pretty mundane, though I understand some people will find it startling…

When George Mallory was found on Everest, scavengers had eaten his internal organs from one hole in his (frozen) skin. He was like a human-shaped shell.

What scavengers would that be? No small animal capable of doing that is known to be able to survive at that height. small number of birds can fly that high, that's about it.

Re: A small, delayed avalanche may have been responsible for the Dyatlov Incident

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Post by garmaine »

detaro wrote: post #23
garmaine wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When George Mallory was found on Everest, scavengers had eaten his internal organs from one hole in his (frozen) skin. He was like a human-shaped shell.

What scavengers would that be? No small animal capable of doing that is known to be able to survive at that height. small number of birds can fly that high, that's about it.

The lammergeyer, a sort of high-altitude vulture. They're known to eat the dead on Everest.

Re: A small, delayed avalanche may have been responsible for the Dyatlov Incident

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Post by RamRodification »

p2detar wrote: post #19
folli wrote: post #3

The actual scientific paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-020-00081-8/ Still no explanation about the "numerous unexplained observations. While hypothermia was determined to be the main cause of death, four hikers had severe thorax or skull injuries, two were found with missing eyes and one without tongue; some were almost naked and barefoot, traces of radioactivity were found on some of their clothes, and…

A somewhat detailed explanation with pictures of the injuries of each body found [0]. The info that Dubinina's tongue seems to had been _removed_ while still allegedly alive seems a bit odd to me. The site was created by web designer and mountain hiker Teodora Hadjiyska [1]. 0 - https://dyatlovpass.com/death 1 - https://dyatlovpass.com/about

The spookiest thing there is the stripper-grade anti-grav breasts on the female 3D-model

Re: A small, delayed avalanche may have been responsible for the Dyatlov Incident

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Post by tsjq »

ayk3 wrote: post #9
convery wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The injuries is from tumbling around in the avalanche, a tent (if nailed down) will just be flattened.

How would one tumble in the avalanche while in the tent? Is the thought that the group heard the avalanche, came out, and got caught in it? I should read the paper more carefully. I'm going off what I remember from Dead Mountain by Eichar.

The article says, perhaps that was a small & solid slab of packed snow that fell on the tent, broke some bones, and slid away.

Re: A small, delayed avalanche may have been responsible for the Dyatlov Incident

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Post by igorstellar »

p2detar wrote: post #19
folli wrote: post #3

The actual scientific paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-020-00081-8/ Still no explanation about the "numerous unexplained observations. While hypothermia was determined to be the main cause of death, four hikers had severe thorax or skull injuries, two were found with missing eyes and one without tongue; some were almost naked and barefoot, traces of radioactivity were found on some of their clothes, and…

A somewhat detailed explanation with pictures of the injuries of each body found [0]. The info that Dubinina's tongue seems to had been _removed_ while still allegedly alive seems a bit odd to me. The site was created by web designer and mountain hiker Teodora Hadjiyska [1]. 0 - https://dyatlovpass.com/death 1 - https://dyatlovpass.com/about

Not Safe Before Sleep: I should not have opened this in bed.

Re: A small, delayed avalanche may have been responsible for the Dyatlov Incident

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Post by Pyramus »

I watched Lemmino's mini documentary on the subject and can only recommend it [1]. He spent a month going through the Russian original evidence and is surprised why it is still considered an "unresolved mystery".

Some take-aways that I remember:

* They had a self-made, wood-fired oven in the tent, which had already burned one of the hikers a couple of days before (documented in a picture) and could have malfunctioned, leading to the burn marks and them having to abandon the tent (including slashing it open)

* Radioactivity: Both hikers that had traces worked previously in a nuclear facility.

* Missing organs: Exactly what you would expect from scavenging animals.

* Missing clothes: Exactly what is expected when dying from hypothermia.

* Bodily injuries: Suspected avalanche.

* Glowing orange spheres: Possibly space debris, a meteor or nuclear testing. In any case, no immediate connection to the accident.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8RigxxiilI (conclusion from 12:42)

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Re: A small, delayed avalanche may have been responsible for the Dyatlov Incident

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Post by nicedicerice »

p2detar wrote: post #19
folli wrote: post #3

The actual scientific paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-020-00081-8/ Still no explanation about the "numerous unexplained observations. While hypothermia was determined to be the main cause of death, four hikers had severe thorax or skull injuries, two were found with missing eyes and one without tongue; some were almost naked and barefoot, traces of radioactivity were found on some of their clothes, and…

A somewhat detailed explanation with pictures of the injuries of each body found [0]. The info that Dubinina's tongue seems to had been _removed_ while still allegedly alive seems a bit odd to me. The site was created by web designer and mountain hiker Teodora Hadjiyska [1]. 0 - https://dyatlovpass.com/death 1 - https://dyatlovpass.com/about

never seen this website before. impressive, that all docs, photos are there. also quite useful, that according to med examination someone made pictures with all the injuries. i personally believe in the most simple explanation. no conspiracy, no supernatural.
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