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Re: Transfer Stocks Out of Your Robinhood Account

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It's been a while since I did this, but last time I transferred shares from one brokerage to another, it took several days. It seems to me that if you are holding GME, the last possible thing you want is being stuck in a position for a while. For this particular case, it might be a better choice is to liquidate your position, cash out and just open another brokerage account. I know this is the total opposite of what…

They aren't in it for the money exactly... https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/l6omry/an_o... Further, at the moment there are still 62m outstanding short positions (with 71m yesterday). However, there was only 50m (likely revolving) trading volume today on GME. Honestly, it looks like the redditors are going to successfully cause a squeeze.

They are absolutely in it for the money.

WallStreetBets is a heavily moderated subreddit. They remove any posts or comments that don’t toe the line.

Make no mistake, it’s a pump-and-dump group. They’ve been honing the narrative and it finally triggered all the right points to go viral.

This idea that Redditors are only hurting hedge funds is completely false at this point. They’re also going to be taking a lot of money from each other on the way down.

Re: Transfer Stocks Out of Your Robinhood Account

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The RH apologists are going on long winded explanations about clearing houses (and to some extent there’s elements of “it’s too complex for your little brain”). But even to the extent it’s true, if I put in 5k from my checkings into RH and buy stock, why does Rh need all this liquidity to get orders filled? I understand turning margin accounts off, but that’s it . Past that, at best robinhoods business model is highl…

A whole lot goes on behind the scenes with securities trading, your interface to it as a retail trader buying and selling is only the tip of the iceberg. Most of the people talking about various conspiracy theories about brokerages have clearly very little idea of how brokerages work on the back end (and not very many people do know this) or what regulatory duties brokerages have and hwo that might inform decisions t…

Could you give us a rough overview? If I click "sell" on a share of tesla right now on my robinhood account, what happens then?

Re: Transfer Stocks Out of Your Robinhood Account

#163

Why is Robinhood getting singled out when six brokerages implemented the exact same trade restrictions?

Likely because they were the first, and the rest caved in shortly thereafter (though in some cases, it was the clearing houses who stopped taking orders). In RH's case, it was RH's management itself that made the call, which makes them more accountable to the decision. They can't point to their clearing house and say, "don't blame us: it was the clearing house".

Re: Transfer Stocks Out of Your Robinhood Account

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The tricky bit is they all need to get out at the right moment or they will be crushed.

What happens if they ALL hold until it's at an astronomical price like $10,000 ?

Who is going to buy the shares from them?

Re: Transfer Stocks Out of Your Robinhood Account

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Yes. The calculus in their heads that the SEC fines for doing this would be less than their losses from allowing trading to continue needs to die. The penalty for violating the law must always be greater than the consequences of following it.

What law do you suppose was broken?

Market manipulation, you dont seem like an impartial player here

Re: Transfer Stocks Out of Your Robinhood Account

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One of Robinhood’s innovations was that they gave everyone a margin account, but hid the details. When you transfer money in, Robinhood doesn’t actually get that money until a couple days later. They allow you to buy stock immediately, but that happens (transparently) on margin. Robinhood is loaning you the money to make it happen. Likewise, when you buy or sell a stock, the trade doesn’t settle for t+2 days. Robinho…

Fidelity - and probably other brokerages - let you buy with unsettled cash, you just can’t sell and buy something else until the cash settles or it’s a good faith violation. You can also enable margin and do it that way. That’s an interesting approach RH takes. Is margin just available and automatic when you sign up? I saw a lot of people on wsb apparently buying on margin and having no idea what it was.

It is. The default Robinhood account is a margin account branded as Robinhood Instant; if you don't want to trade on margin, you have to downgrade (their term, not mine) to Robinhood Cash.

Re: Transfer Stocks Out of Your Robinhood Account

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post #13

The RH apologists are going on long winded explanations about clearing houses (and to some extent there’s elements of “it’s too complex for your little brain”). But even to the extent it’s true, if I put in 5k from my checkings into RH and buy stock, why does Rh need all this liquidity to get orders filled? I understand turning margin accounts off, but that’s it . Past that, at best robinhoods business model is highl…

Sigh.

In a different life, I worked for a well known discount brokerage in 2005 processing corporate actions. Mergers, splits, divided payments, proxy voting, exercising bond contract provisions, warrants, short covering etc.for retail customers. Not glamorous work to be sure.

I can tell you unequivocally that to deliver the simplicity, affordability, and transaction efficiency we now take for granted, many MANY layers of broker/dealer process and manpower are built on top of pretty archaic systems and processes and regs. I’m sure that’s something most HN readers would roll their eyes at because of how low tech and antiquated it was. But that’s how the market actually functionally works for retail investors. And those regs are often granular and exist because of historical failure.

Just being able to buy stock, and not worry about getting the literal paper stock in your own name is an innovation we take for granted by having securities held in street name. We in fact had some paper stock in a safe because some clients insisted having in their name.

When we processed shorts we literally would hold the short against a specific humans named account or go borrow shares by picking up the phone and calling another broker. Shorts don’t happen out of thin air. It’s someone else stock you’re selling.

In 2005 I would log into a black screen DTC terminal and pull money down at a firm level by manually typing the values in (lord knows what happens if this gets messed up).

If accounts went over minimum margin requirements we would pick up the phone and call them to explain why they needed to close positions or add collateral. One time we closed the entire account an mailed them a check for the balance because they kept ignoring.

When corporate action transactions settled (T+5) we would manually allocate them to accounts, and then print out the accounts affected for manual QA. The print out went into a filing cabinet for compliance reasons.

All of this is to say...it seems like HN model of how retail financial markets work is like super efficient APIs that transact like magic plumbing. In reality it’s more like an anthill built on top of a Rube Goldberg machine. You may not want to believe that RH and other brokerages have to abide by insanely complex and Byzantine rules and regs and systems and interactions because they make a drop dead simple experience in their app...but they almost certainly do.

Re: Transfer Stocks Out of Your Robinhood Account

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Why not just donate your bet money to the people who inevitably lose money holding GameStop stock?

You could instead invest in GME yourself?

I don't see much promise in the business model of selling physical copies of video games at mall retail stores. Yes, I've heard what the stock promoters are saying about the company turning around but color me unconvinced.

Re: Transfer Stocks Out of Your Robinhood Account

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We proudly call it "free market" in the USA, what a joke. Same goes for 'free speech' which was proven not to be true by big tech. USA is run by monopolies and powerful people.

Free speech seems preserved, the time required to set up a new account and get money into it/miss the opportunities says the market isn't free. Robinhood kicking you off wouldn't be a problem if you could immediately switch to another means like you can for speech

Tell me 3 other platforms that are like Facebook or Twitter or Youtube one can switch to ? This is an attack on free speech and free trade

Re: Transfer Stocks Out of Your Robinhood Account

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The tricky bit is they all need to get out at the right moment or they will be crushed.

What happens if they ALL hold until it's at an astronomical price like $10,000 ?

None of them have any gains until they press the sell button.

The early buyers will probably sell a little bit to lock in profits. This drives the price down. They’ll then go on to social media and pump GameStop everywhere with memes and stories about taking down Wall Street. This brings in new money to pump the price back up.

This is what they’re already doing: Pumping the stock to bring in new money, which they collect by selling the new entrants some of their shares. The new entrants catch on to the game and start recruiting more people to pump the price further, and so on.

Eventually people realize this can’t go on forever. New entrants might see their value drop 50% as old entrants cash out. They’ll panic and sell everything, which triggers more people to panic and sell, which drives the price down.

Some will try to buy the dip, but eventually the pump will run out of steam and new players will get tired of bleeding money for a mythical “infinity squeeze” that never happens.

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