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Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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post #770

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This is a tired old argument and it isn't convincing or effective. There's a big difference between some kids screaming in your coffee shop and a community on a website supposedly dedicated to free discussion. A more apt comparison would be a group in a corner having a conversation at a rock concert. Suddenly this argument appears less apt. And while some are screaming for these sites to get shut down over it, most o…

> The internet needs a true public square Honest question: why?

Because when the people are allowed to freely share their ideas with one another and talk about them without interference the cream rises to the top.

There is historical evidence of this, the monarchs of the centuries past, the Catholic church, they all stifled the ability for people to freely discuss ideas, and even killed people for sharing the wrong ones. As soon as the printing press was invented that allowed people to share ideas freely you had revolts against them all over the next few centuries leading to representative democracies and republics, the enlightenment and development of ideas such as human dignity and individual rights, diversity of religion in the west took hold, the end of theocratic rule over Europe, and it all culminated in the creation of the US and an end to global colonialism mid 20th century. We owe our great way of life and our emergence from theocratic and monarchical shackles in large part to the ability to express and share ideas freely, this is a big reason why western societies hold that right in high esteem, it was a resounding success, it worked for us up until now and it will continue to do so if we let it.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

#982
post #811
post #770

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> The internet needs a true public square Honest question: why?

So that those with the currently loudest voices can silence all others? So that the "invisible hand of the market" may decide who is wisest (as demonstrated when we look at all the instances where this happened)? I think all of these wishes of a true public space are usually colored by the (mis?)perception of certain opinions being opressed, when in fact they are often just socially unacceptable because of their dest…

It appears to me that our society is currently threatened by a group using the exact strategy that those Nazis were using in your home country, except they're at the next stage, past the using free speech and actively now attempting to destroy it.

I'm of the belief that to protect your free society you protect it's virtue, even when people take advantage of it. If you hold steadfast to "free speech", no group ever gets past that first stage, so they can never take power. It means sometimes tolerating hearing reprehensible views of the world, but it is either that or giving someone all the guns and the power to control what you say, and if history teaches us anything, that always ends badly for the regular people no matter the initial intention of the person doing the censoring, a power like that is irresistible to those who want to use it to benefit themselves.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

#983
post #824

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This is a tired old argument and it isn't convincing or effective. There's a big difference between some kids screaming in your coffee shop and a community on a website supposedly dedicated to free discussion. A more apt comparison would be a group in a corner having a conversation at a rock concert. Suddenly this argument appears less apt. And while some are screaming for these sites to get shut down over it, most o…

> A more apt comparison would be a group in a corner having a conversation at a rock concert. Suddenly this argument appears less apt. This is a tired old argument and it isn't convincing or effective. There's a big difference between having a conversation in a corner at a rock concert, and having a conversation in an online service hosted by someone else outside of that conversation, in a territory owned by a state…

At least you're original.

Do you want a change in this society? I'd guess you do, most people want to change something. Espousing a desire for any change will always be offensive to someone, and so wanting any improvement necessarily includes being deliberately offensive. The right to speak is the right to offend.

Real world violence, sure. Let's ban that. And asking people to be nice, that's not a bad thing. And banning name calling in your private forum to promote substantiative discussion, that's probably a good idea. But deciding what unappetizing ideas are allowed and are not allowed to be discussed is a bad idea, I thought we learned that lesson in the last century. Free speech isn't what leads to fascist dictatorship, control of ideas does.

All this and I just want to remind you that we are discussing a web site using "white supremacist Nazis" as a pretext to prevent people from organizing against wall street hedge funds.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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And that still wouldn’t be censorship.

No ofc not, but that is a coffeshop and not a place where the business is sharing stuff. If the business is a town square where everyone is and your excluding a specific group that is censorship.

But it’s more like a country club than a town square. And 100% country clubs kick you out when you say things they don’t like.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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We require regulation, just as we require the police, because education doesn't matter to people willing to disregard ethics and harm others for their own gains.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, are you implying that what wsb is doing is unethical?

No, I was broadly commenting on why education cannot trump regulation.

For the sake of argument, one can say that actions of forums like WSB should also be regulated to protect them, just like laws for compulsory wearing of helmet (while riding two-wheelers) or putting seatbelts (while riding cars) exist, even though one would think that education and common sense would make them do this automatically out of self-preservation instincts.

But since I am not an expert in finance or stock markets, I really am not in any sound position to comment on the specifics here.

My broader general argument (not at all related to WSB or the financial industry) is just that education alone is insufficient, and regulation is often required too for maximum efficacy.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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We require regulation, just as we require the police, because education doesn't matter to people willing to disregard ethics and harm others for their own gains.

We require... This seems too authoritarian.

Not in a functioning democracy. :)

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Discord would claim its “hateful and discriminatory content” for anything in the fucked up reality we are currently living in. For instance, if you call someone retarded and a mod doesn't step in, that is considered hateful. Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. Then saying that only retards buy the shit hedgefunds are peddling would also be considered discriminatory. I'm…

Get your point across without stomping a category of disabled person and making me think you're an immature shit-for-brains who I don't want to associate with. You act like your dictionary definition of the word 'retard' is some brilliant insight. It's garbage. Everyone, everywhere, would be better off without the 'content' that you're providing. You have the right to say whatever you want and I have the right to thr…

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Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

#988

Discord would claim its “hateful and discriminatory content” for anything in the fucked up reality we are currently living in. For instance, if you call someone retarded and a mod doesn't step in, that is considered hateful. Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. Then saying that only retards buy the shit hedgefunds are peddling would also be considered discriminatory. I'm…

> Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. All curse words are in the dictionary. Dictionaries are for looking up meaning, not moral arbiters. What are you on about?

We ban accounts that take swipes at other users like that, so please omit those from your comments here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting to HN, we'd be grateful.

Your comment would have been fine without the last bit.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

#989
post #519

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Get your point across without stomping a category of disabled person and making me think you're an immature shit-for-brains who I don't want to associate with. You act like your dictionary definition of the word 'retard' is some brilliant insight. It's garbage. Everyone, everywhere, would be better off without the 'content' that you're providing. You have the right to say whatever you want and I have the right to thr…

Fuck off dude, your argument here is nothing better than an ad hominem despite you claiming the supposed intellectual high ground. Discord is cowardly and aggressively normative and so are you

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Your account has already done this more than once, as well as posting unsubstantively and baitingly in other ways. That's a poor track record for only 11 comments. I don't want to ban you, so please fix this. On HN we want thoughtful, curious conversation. Bashing each other like this is obviously at the far extreme from that. No more of this, please.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

#990
The precedent was set with proTrump groups and people.

Any group or person who attracts negative attention must go.

Not worth the business risk.

Politicians are eager to make even apolitical issues partisan. The outrage driven media is happy to launder and legitimize retoric into fake news. Internet mobs are quick to follow.

Standing for principle will hurt your business and ruin your name.

Not worth it. I would do the same thing.

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