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Re: Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberry, Nokia, and GameStop

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This whole Game Stop situation has made the power of the rich so obvious and disgusting. They temporarily shut down the market, banned the discord server, and are now preventing people from buying stocks on the most popular app used by small time investors. All of these moves hurt the small time investor trying to cash in on the next bitcoin-like bubble. This just creates more division, more disgust, and more of a cl…

Just invest in Bitcoin now, it is going to do the same thing in a few months. And it can’t be censored like this. I admire the gme crowd’s efforts but they are so misguided. Investing in zombie companies we actually hate is pointless. Yes you might bankrupt a hedge fund or two but the system will continue. Bitcoin was created for the disruption to the corrupt financial system that they are seeking.

Bitcoin is a bubble in progress. If you want to make money it certainly is a much better asset to speculate with. However, it's a bit late. Most of the easy gains are not available anymore. If you buy now you there is a decent risk that you will have to wait a year.

Re: Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberry, Nokia, and GameStop

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im moving to JPMorgan after today events.

Ah yes they would never mislead investors to their own benefit and manipulate the market for profit something something subprime crisis.

That's most likely the joke. Of all the choices they pick JPM, which is notoriously corrupt to the bone.

Re: Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberry, Nokia, and GameStop

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It's interesting to see the outrage about this. Everyone who has done a bit of research into this kind of broker knew this. It's the only way to get the commissionless trading they advertise with. Just another case of "If you are not paying for it, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold".

Not really, the outrage is over a short of GME being a customer. If the headline was about Firm XYZ without a short in GME paying $100M it wouldn't be as newsworthy.

You don't get to pick to which advertiser your data is sold either. You're just along for the ride with no hands on the wheel.

I'm not defending business models built upon selling their users' data. I'm just saying that this is no surprise, and it was pretty inevitable to happen sooner or later.

Re: Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberry, Nokia, and GameStop

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Sure. Robinhood got a call from someone very powerful in their circle, politely asking them to stop the amateur plebes from interfering with their professional market manipulation. We are taking about people commanding titanic amounts of capital and (indirect) regulatory power. Robinhood then had the choice, do we make enemies out of these people or do we just screw, er, I mean protect, our customers? Unburdened by a…

This is so true. It's all connected. It's probable that Reddit, Discord, RobinHood have all received calls to disrupt retail traders from political players or financial backers. There's no evidence of this, the truth is we'll never know, but how its most obvious reason. If only RobinHood would live up to its namesake. It is alarming that "soft" circuit breakers are being used to target retail traders on exchanges. I…

The reddit narrative is wrong. WSB marked their sub private for a little while to address a huge influx of bots and spam. They were only down for maybe an hour or so.

Re: Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberry, Nokia, and GameStop

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I know some language nerds who like to debate about whether certain aspects of language should be descriptive (dictionaries document how real people use language) or prescriptive (very smart people know the correct way to spell/use words, and that should be imparted to the less knowledgeable). In that light, I'd always seen the stock market as purely descriptive - the price of a stock can be completely detached from…

The elites of this world should meditate on it, because on the same logic: populism always wins.

Re: Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberry, Nokia, and GameStop

#856

Sure. Robinhood got a call from someone very powerful in their circle, politely asking them to stop the amateur plebes from interfering with their professional market manipulation. We are taking about people commanding titanic amounts of capital and (indirect) regulatory power. Robinhood then had the choice, do we make enemies out of these people or do we just screw, er, I mean protect, our customers? Unburdened by a…

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Re: Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberry, Nokia, and GameStop

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the short sellers think the stock is overpriced, and there's others that think its underpriced, then both sides are placing their bets and will deal with the result, either by making or losing a lot of money. I don't think it's really a case of people disagreeing on the real value of GameStop stock. Framing it like this ignores important facts. This stock was trading around $4 in August, around $20 in the beginn…

> But no way anyone sincerely believes GameStop is worth $400/share. In February 1997 AAPL was worth 15 cents per share. You could have overpaid by 100x at the time and you'd still be up 9.4x after 24 years (not counting dividends), which is an annualized gain of almost 10%. Maybe Ryan Cohen taking a big stake in Gamestop is their Steve Jobs moment, who knows? Disclosure: long GME

That's my point. Nobody believed AAPL was worth $15/share in 1997. Nobody believes GameStop is worth $400/share today.

The motivations for buying are different.

Re: Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberry, Nokia, and GameStop

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It's interesting to see the outrage about this. Everyone who has done a bit of research into this kind of broker knew this. It's the only way to get the commissionless trading they advertise with. Just another case of "If you are not paying for it, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold".

I see little outrage about this. The outrage is about illegally manipulating the market in broad daylight by preventing retail investors from purchasing a stock.

Is a user expected to tolerate illegal activity because the businesses customer demands it of them? If you have any doubt what Robinhood is doing is illegal (setting aside that it's clearly morally reprehensible), then I encourage you to read the suit that was just filed https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.553175...

Re: Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberry, Nokia, and GameStop

#859

It's interesting to see the outrage about this. Everyone who has done a bit of research into this kind of broker knew this. It's the only way to get the commissionless trading they advertise with. Just another case of "If you are not paying for it, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold".

Not really, the outrage is over a short of GME being a customer. If the headline was about Firm XYZ without a short in GME paying $100M it wouldn't be as newsworthy.

> the outrage is over a short of GME being a customer

Do we have any evidence Citadel is materially net short GME?

They bailed out Melvin Capital. But Melvin Capital announced that they closed out their short position. And bailing out Melvin Capital isn't the same thing as assuming their positions.

Re: Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberry, Nokia, and GameStop

#860

It's interesting to see the outrage about this. Everyone who has done a bit of research into this kind of broker knew this. It's the only way to get the commissionless trading they advertise with. Just another case of "If you are not paying for it, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold".

If you're one of the big and established brokerages you can provide commission-less trading through other means - portfolio management fees, doing bank things.

For the smaller guys like RH though your point still stands.

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