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WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money anymore

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Re: WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money anymore

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Forcing big leveraged players to sell is fantastic for everyone else. There will be a lot of cheap stocks to pick up for everyone else.

Sell, what exactly? They won't buy after that?

It's hard to know exactly what the repercussions were, but in my experience a lot of stocks were down yesterday, including some FAANG's and the like down 5-10%. Those numbers aren't likely to be permanent, so anyone who wanted to buy anyways got a 5-10% discount.

Re: WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money anymore

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Are we talking about cutting your own nose off to spite someone else's face?

Is that any different to taking a day off work to go to a protest? Both situations have you losing money in order to bring issues to light. Same with union workers going on strike.

Yes, because here they not only lose money, but also all the money they lose is gained by the exact thing they protest against. It’s as if they went to protest Amazon by working at their warehouse for free.

Re: WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money anymore

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I'm also quite ignorant of investing and also contract law, but technically, Robinhood's recent disabling of buying new options or shares [1] falls under their terms of service [2]: You agree that, without notice, _Robinhood may terminate these Terms and Conditions, or suspend your access to the Service or the Content, with or without cause at any time and effective immediately._ [...] Robinhood shall not be liable t…

I am not a lawyer, but I assume that they would not get in trouble for contract breach but rather for market manipulation.

Also potentially for violating their duties as a broker. How the various duties to execute trades intersect with duties to protect their clients is going to be an interesting court case to follow. If it turns out the gamma squeeze or short squeeze works, RH clients could easily claim massive monetary losses.

Re: WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money anymore

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So you're telling me that by buying GameStop stock, I can help screw over hedge fund managers? I have not bought a single stock in my whole life, but I'm in. How do I start?

You're probably late to the party here. Reddit is holding for $1000, but there comes a point where the funds would be so unable to fulfil their shorts that any ones left holding it will declare bankruptcy rather than pay, and you lose yours too. Even if you're willing to risk throwing away some money to "stick it to the man", it will take a while - It may be easier in the US, but I signed up to Degiro to get some sha…

I was reading last night a few posts saying they have to cover their shorts by Friday or Monday. So will be interesting to see the fallout.

Re: WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money anymore

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I would really appreciate it if somebody could explain to me how people who sell short a stock are somehow “suffocating it” or “killing jobs.” And I say this as someone who has about 18 years of investing experience. I continue to believe stock shorting is one of the most poorly understood parts of equity markets and the wrong parts are most commonly parroted by people with little to no experience with short selling…

This is what I don't get either. I keep thinking of Danny DeVito's speech at the end "Other People's Money." "You know, at one time there must've been dozens of companies making buggy whips. And I'll bet the last company around was the one that made the best goddamn buggy whip you ever saw. Now how would you have liked to have been a stockholder in that company?" GameStop sells buggy whips. Why shouldn't people bet a…

Last I checked steam/etc doesn't allow one to resell their games. So they do provide a convenient service in that regard.

Re: WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money anymore

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> high frequency traders are probably making a bundle. I've heard from a former colleague at a major HFT firm, that they hit their entire revenue target for the year, just in the past week.

What kind of self-respecting HFT firm has revenue targets? Surely you're talking about P&L.

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Re: WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money anymore

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Yes. They should be forced to provide the service they promised. It’s not my fault their business model is failing for a particular ticker on a particular day. If they can’t, then some advance notice is needed. Making this decision instantly without giving customers time to move their holdings elsewhere is not okay. That being said, I’m surprised people are still using them for day trading. They don’t have a great tr…

> It’s not my fault their business model is failing "You" (well not you but you get what i'm saying) picked the service... If folks are capable of investing directly in stocks they should be expected to understand the ramifications of picking a free service like Robinhood. They ESPECIALLY should with all this populist banter going around...

Yeah, I agree picking RH to do this isn't very smart. But I can hold both ideas in my head ("RH, don't do that", "You, don't pick RH")

But apparently Interactive Brokers is now doing the same. Much stronger argument to be made there. They're a pay service, with supposedly big-boy ideas about their clients, right?

EDIT: Also, note that Robinhood's decision isn't just affecting their own clients. They're screwing the wider market by restricting the pool of buyers. People who have no relationship with RH are now seeing their holdings lose value because fewer bids are making it to the books. I'm a TDA client. I didn't agree to Robinhood's TOS.

Re: WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money anymore

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The line is blurry. There was an immediate and emphatic appeal to the regulators, and the way the SEC works is often by encouraging self regulation. The CEO of the NASDAQ even went on air to ask for more SEC regulation. This isn't unusual, it's pretty much how "government intervention" via the SEC, and a lot of other regulatory bodies, actually works.

So, the SEC is hands off and encourages self regulation, so any instance of self regulation is considered government intervention?

Probably not any, but my understanding is that the answer to that is mostly yes because much of the incentive for these entities to self-regulate comes from the threat of worse-for-them regulations from SEC if they fail to do so in a way that SEC feels good about, and they spend a fair bit of energy communicating back and forth what those ways are, even if it's not made explicit on paper.

Re: WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money anymore

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They are blocking buying, and only allowing selling GME, BB and others. How is this not evidence of a corrupted free market system? A CEO of one company can call up his connections in retail trading platform firms, CNBC, and Nasdaq and protect his profits? Why is Reddit the scandal and not that? Reddit is full of rocket emojis and YOLO jokes. But what we see here, especially with the moralizing about gambling, is an…

> They are blocking buying, and only allowing selling GME, BB and others. How is this not evidence of a corrupted free market system? I can almost guarantee you that this decision was made to protect retail clients -- not as part of some conspiracy against them. It's very clear that retail is going to lose their shirts in the end of all of this, and by blocking new buy orders, the brokerage is effectively protecting…

You are right that a big part of retail will be left with enormous losses. But that doesn't in any way excuses brokers who manipulate price letting only SELL orders in
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