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Re: Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberry, Nokia, and GameStop

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99.99% (or more) of people who buy lotteries, lose ALL their money. However, government allows anyone to buy them. There is no meaningful restriction for an assured destruction of wealth for most of those who buy them. While this GME/AMC run will not end well for many people, restricting people from buying those stocks - whether it is through actions of trading platforms or governing agencies - smacks not just of pat…

Stock market regulation stems largely from the experience of the Great Depression. So even if 99.99% of people lose all their money in lotteries we haven't seen an economic crisis caused by lotteries.

We're not likely to see an economic crisis due to a Gamestop short squeeze, but it is a bit of a worrying sign.

Re: Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberry, Nokia, and GameStop

#393
It's not just Robinhood, IB and WeBull have also suspended GME. Schwab lets me get all the way to confirming an order, but I'm not spending $370 on a share of GME to confirm if it will go through haha. IB/WeBull/Schwab seem to still allow AMC/NOK/BB.

Those are the brokerages I use, can't check in the others.

Re: Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberry, Nokia, and GameStop

#394

This is unbelievable. If there ever was a time to be outraged. This is naked corruption as usual hiding under the shabbiest veil of virtue. RobinHood traders can bankrupt and kill themselves, and that is fine, we will continue prodding them to trade more often, but once we get a call from one our hedge fund buddies, moaning about the rubes stopping him from raping another company, we will shut the rabble down.

Please don't use rape as a metaphor.

Why?

Re: Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberry, Nokia, and GameStop

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post #205

This is unbelievable. If there ever was a time to be outraged. This is naked corruption as usual hiding under the shabbiest veil of virtue. RobinHood traders can bankrupt and kill themselves, and that is fine, we will continue prodding them to trade more often, but once we get a call from one our hedge fund buddies, moaning about the rubes stopping him from raping another company, we will shut the rabble down.

It could also be RobinHood trying to avoid their traders bankrupting and killing themselves by restricting them from buying gamestop etc. shares at 10x what they are worth.

You realize Robinhood allows you to buy Dogecoin as well, right? Do you not see the hypocrisy?

Re: Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberry, Nokia, and GameStop

#396
post #9

This sort of stuff will put people more and more on edge, there is the deplatforming going on, people asserted their power financially, and now getting that removed too, the powers that rule USA don't realize that soon the only tool left to common people is violence? Even more with some irresponsible newspapers blaming the whole thing on GamerGate and Alt-Right, effectively pushing away people that previously could b…

I worked in proprietary trading for about half a decade.

I think the biggest thing that the lay-person doesn't understand is that thinking of hedge funds (and other proprietary firms), banks, exchanges and ATS's, retail brokerages, the SEC, and lawmakers as all being either one entity or all being on the same side is just absolutely incorrect. They all need each other, but by and large they are not friends.

Some claims I've seen that are just comical to me:

"The SEC is going to step in to save hedge funds"

The relationship between regulators and proprietary firms is particularly cagey. The SEC constantly audits them and asks, in my ex-professional opinions, extremely annoying questions about even the most innocuous trading activity. (Annoying because they take so much time because frequently, not knowing what the firm is doing, they ask questions that internal tooling is just not prepared to answer, thus requiring custom development; and annoying because some of them feel like they're just the SEC trying to use their authority to conduct audits to learn more about the industry). But I digress. The SEC is absolutely not going to step in and do a prop shop a favor. Their concern is with the efficient and accurate functioning of the equities market. The fact the GME, a company with no news releases and no change in their (honestly dismal) fundamentals, has experienced such absolutely insane volatility (there are large numbers of options contracts with less volatility, for crying out loud!) is absolutely a concern for them. The fact that "what is the price of GME right now", asked to a person who looked at Apple Stocks app yesterday but not yet today, is "somewhere between 10 dollars and 1000 dollars", is absolutely a major cause for concern to them. Equity markets exist to discover pricing and transfer risk. It's hard to transfer risk if you don't have any idea of the pricing!

"retail brokerages are cancel culturing the GME rocketship!" and similar rhetoric, especially with aphorisms suggesting that the SEC or shadowy "the rich and powerful" are pressing them to do so.

I really, really doubt it. Retail brokerages toe a very fine line, because on one hand they obviously really want people to store their money with them (e.g. Schwab makes like 80% of its operating revenue from interest on uninvested cash balances) and also to use their trading services. But at the same time, they are taking as clients some of the most dangerous creatures known to man: retail investors. They're dangerous because they have so little clue what they're doing (which is like, fine, you know? this is no judgement on them) that there is a very real responsibility places on the retail brokerage to protect them from themselves. There's a reason you have to apply and be approved to trade options, and there's various levels of approval for various risk categories too. You need at least 25k in balances to be a pattern day trader. There's precedent for brokerages limiting access to some ETFs that expose equities investors to the kinds of leveraged risk that is more typical of options. Brokerages have been sued - successfully - for not doing their fiduciary duty to educate investors about risk.

I am absolutely unsurprised that retail brokerages are limiting trading of GME, AMC, etc. I can already see the lawsuits coming when this thing folds - "Why did you let me trade GME given the volatility, especially after the SEC even made a statement about it? I am a retail investor and your client, and cannot be expected to know better, and you failed in your fiduciary duty to me." This is absolutely something a retail brokerage would do to protect themselves from regulatory scrutiny.

(I had more to vent, but this post is already huge so I'll stop here. You get my gist, though.)

Re: Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberry, Nokia, and GameStop

#398

I don’t have a data feed available to verify but it’s at least possible there is no one on the other side of the order book for these symbols so Robinhood can’t execute any more buy orders. Judging this as a policy decision from a 1 sentence tweet and some screen shots seems premature.

Why do you have to get all rational when we can stoke conspiracy theories?

The conspiracy is real, here's your source: https://blog.robinhood.com/news/2021/1/28/keeping-customers-...

Re: Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberry, Nokia, and GameStop

#399

Sure. Robinhood got a call from someone very powerful in their circle, politely asking them to stop the amateur plebes from interfering with their professional market manipulation. We are taking about people commanding titanic amounts of capital and (indirect) regulatory power. Robinhood then had the choice, do we make enemies out of these people or do we just screw, er, I mean protect, our customers? Unburdened by a…

What would "they" do if they were enemies of Robin Hood? Short Robin Hood stock? Or send contract killers?
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