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Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by Jonnax »

betwixthewires wrote: post #731
Traster wrote: post #714

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People need to stop being so lazy and throwing around the word censorship. If a bunch or teenagers come into my coffee shop and start loudly calling each autists and retards I'm going to kick them out. I'm not censoring them by kicking them out.

This is a tired old argument and it isn't convincing or effective. There's a big difference between some kids screaming in your coffee shop and a community on a website supposedly dedicated to free discussion. A more apt comparison would be a group in a corner having a conversation at a rock concert. Suddenly this argument appears less apt. And while some are screaming for these sites to get shut down over it, most o…

Where does discord say it's for free discussion?

In two clicks I found their community guidelines on their website:

https://discord.com/guidelines

Second rule:

"Do not organize, promote, or coordinate servers around hate speech. It’s unacceptable to attack a person or a community based on attributes such as their race, ethnicity, national origin, sex, gender, sexual orientation, religious affiliation, or disabilities."

Calling someone a "retard" or "autist" is considered by Discord to be mocking people with disabilities.

Also IRC exists and is still in use by many people. Anyone can set up a server.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

#742

Post by ggggtez »

NotPavlovsDog wrote: post #707
zpeti wrote: post #702

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I'm slightly sceptical, because with open standards you still need to do moderation somehow. The WSB are complaining that Reddit didn't give them the mod tools they need. I believe we're going to see fragmentation in platforms rather than open standards. And I say that because we've just launched our own reddit alternative, Retalk.com. It's also moderated, but by different standards.

There is nothing preventing an open standard moderation tag that each user selects how to treat. With such moderation tagging in place, for example, if I wanted to use Reddit but mistrust moderators, with an open treatment of data, I would be able to select to ignore their rating/per entry and use ratings by a group of users I select. (impossible to imagine Reddit doing something like this) However, it requires I hav…

This seems to misunderstand the purpose of moderation entirely.

Moderation serves many purposes, but only one of them is to save your delicate eyes from seeing things you don't want to see. Perhaps the more important one are things like: ensuring that your social media service doesn't have a bad reputation so that people other than disaffected white guys will actually want to use it.

If your site is overrun with porn, then sure, each user could just block those millions of posters with your open standard... but every new user still sees it, and decides "this service isn't built for me" and never comes back.

At the core of community moderation is community. If the community looks like it's full of people doing gray-illegal things, then normal people (and advertisers) will generally shy away... and lawsuits will not be far behind.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

#743

Post by markdown »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #692
timendum wrote: post #648

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Reddit limits API usage mainly for IP, so you need multiple IPs to avoid this issue. It's not impossible to have multiple instance of the same bot running in parallel, but there are too many race condition and it became too much to handle.

But then the onus is on Reddit to slacken these restrictions; WSB threads get 100K responses, which is the amount of engagement many social media can only dream of. If Reddit doesn't lift the limits and helps the WSB team out with moderation, they're shooting themselves in the foot because Reddit HAS to act if the WSB team can't moderate effectively. It's why Twitter held off on banning Trump for so long; not so much…

All they had to do was set a higher minimum karma requirement to comment. Takes a few seconds to find and set that. They didn't have to shut the place down.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

#744

Post by betwixthewires »

llampx wrote: post #159
skarz wrote: post #131

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Wait you actually think that when people are banned they simply just "go away"? Vanish in to thin air? Problem solved?

The way bans on reddit have tended to work is that by dispersing the group, there's an additional barrier created to stop the spread of the idea. This has happened with fatpeoplehate, the trump reddit, and with the red pill reddit among others. Its not just a group of people of a similar knowledge level and similar ideas coming together, it is also new users happening across the subreddit and deciding to take part. T…

But this approach has diminishing returns. Sure, for the past few years this had the effect of isolating these groups from polite society. But eventually, when they start banning large, main stream groups like, say, people that want to make money in the stock market, people that dislike wall street, and one of two political parties in the USA, all they're going to do is lose market share and therefore their ability to police the internet. People don't use YouTube because they like the logo, people use YouTube because they like the videos on the site. At some point all the cool kids are on other websites, and once the herd follows you've lost control over anything.

I'm very excited about it personally, I like disruption.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

#745

Post by yurielt »

Traster wrote: post #714
NotPavlovsDog wrote: post #669

This is really exciting, feels like open standards, independent internet is going to continue getting extreme motivation to expand and establish, with private "freedom of speech" censorship by for-profit platforms. We're going to see more fragmentation, and growth of closed platforms perceived by users as "slightly less evil" such as telegram vs watsapp. This may also motivate the return to truly open internet ideals…

People need to stop being so lazy and throwing around the word censorship. If a bunch or teenagers come into my coffee shop and start loudly calling each autists and retards I'm going to kick them out. I'm not censoring them by kicking them out.

>Comparing a coffeshop to a webpage and environment that is supposed to be about free speech and juvenile conversation

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

#746

Post by betwixthewires »

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #340
llampx wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way bans on reddit have tended to work is that by dispersing the group, there's an additional barrier created to stop the spread of the idea. This has happened with fatpeoplehate, the trump reddit, and with the red pill reddit among others. Its not just a group of people of a similar knowledge level and similar ideas coming together, it is also new users happening across the subreddit and deciding to take part. T…

The only way to deal with it is through splitting these companies up - that's the only constitutional way, and we must start immediately. They're too big.

They're not going to be too big for very long. Their size depends on people being there, and if they keep banning people they'll just get smaller. Once all the interesting people are banned the regular people will go where the interesting people are. They're about to have their blockbuster moment and no bailouts can stop it.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

#747

Post by namibj »

Jonnax wrote: post #741
betwixthewires wrote: post #731

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a tired old argument and it isn't convincing or effective. There's a big difference between some kids screaming in your coffee shop and a community on a website supposedly dedicated to free discussion. A more apt comparison would be a group in a corner having a conversation at a rock concert. Suddenly this argument appears less apt. And while some are screaming for these sites to get shut down over it, most o…

Where does discord say it's for free discussion? In two clicks I found their community guidelines on their website: https://discord.com/guidelines Second rule: "Do not organize, promote, or coordinate servers around hate speech. It’s unacceptable to attack a person or a community based on attributes such as their race, ethnicity, national origin, sex, gender, sexual orientation, religious affiliation, or disabilities…

It's messed up when there are auto-banning bots that hit those with disabilities for speaking out on the issues they face in everyday life.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

#748

Post by DSingularity »

OJFord wrote: post #681
chordalkeyboard wrote: post #598

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> short sellers will be forced to buy all their stock at market price on Friday. Isn’t that what it means when someone is naked short?

Usually you borrow stock to sell short. You're short it because you sold it without owning it (and still have to give it back later). Naked short is selling without even borrowing it.

I thought only market makers can short sale without the share. Is that correct?

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

#749

Post by DSingularity »

dirtyid wrote: post #558
xxpor wrote: post #471

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H-1B stats disagree.

20K Chinese H1B Visas are a drop in the bucket in terms of opportunity. H1Bs are for people looking to make modest living, the real money is back in China. Common thing you hear from many nouveau riche Chinese is how poor the west are, young professional couple pulling 300K household income can barely afford to live nicely after inflation. Of course, that's still a very comfortable life, but western upper middle clas…

You will never convince them. It’s the only way they avoid concluding that they are either a) screwed by the system or b) the system which screws.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

#750

Post by Dma54rhs »

nexuist wrote: post #126
walrus01 wrote: post #22

The description of wallstreetbets is literally "as if 4chan found a bloomberg terminal", so I don't know what else anyone expected other than 4chan-like-behavior.

Apparently a lot of people don't want there to be a place where 4chan-like-behavior can be found on the Internet.

Reddit and 4chan users obviously overlap and 4chan is one of the largest websites on the internet? So obviously people do.
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