PJON could help: https://github.com/gioblu/PJON/
Berty: Peer-to-peer messaging app that works with or without internet access
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Re: Berty: Peer-to-peer messaging app that works with or without internet access
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
> WiFi supports peer to peer stuff just fine Not to mention that there is huge mesh networks around the world deployed by private persons, all using WiFi over KMs of distance.
Any examples? Very interesting.
One example is Freifunk in Germany.
There is also a large network in Spain, but I forget what it is called.
There is also this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25412367 which was recently discussed on HN.
Re: Berty: Peer-to-peer messaging app that works with or without internet access
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
> WiFi supports peer to peer stuff just fine Not to mention that there is huge mesh networks around the world deployed by private persons, all using WiFi over KMs of distance.
Any examples? Very interesting.
- NYC Mesh - US - https://www.nycmesh.net/
- Freifunk - Germany - https://freifunk.net/
- Guifi - Spain - https://guifi.net/en
Guifi is probably the largest of those, with 36.924 online nodes, most in Spain but some in other parts of the world. If my memory serves me correctly, there is peering working/in progress between Freifunk and Guifi as well.
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#94It is super nice seeing Berty on the HN front page. I know the founder, who has done many things before among which initiating the Paris P2P meetup (https://p2p.paris), so I've been hearing about it for over a year now. Hopefully the app will be available to the public soon!
Re: Berty: Peer-to-peer messaging app that works with or without internet access
#95It's not immediately apparent what platforms this is for. In the releases there's at least Linux binaries available.
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#96How does that compare to Secure Scuttlebutt?
A big difference is that Secure Scuttlebutt uses a blockchain (the “log”). An app keeps one's own entire log + the entire log of every contact within the “hops circle” (hops=1: friends, hops=2: friends + friends-of-friends, …).
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#97A fascinating idea, I wish you a lot of luck in this endeavor! If I were going to go this route, that is, to engineer a network not dependent on the Internet -- I'd first go down to the most fundamental principle of WiFi, Bluetooth, ZigBee, EDGE, EVDO, LTE, etc. -- and that most fundamental principal is RADIO . From there, I'd ask the question -- how can any device which implements one or more of the wireless protoco…
WiFi supports peer to peer stuff just fine. Before the internet was pervasive me and my friends would play starcraft/minecraft over ad-hoc wifi networks with link local addresses. Cell phone OSes automatically disconnect from these of course, there's no way to connect to the ad/telemetry services so what good would it be anyway?
> Cell phone OSes automatically disconnect from these of course
Not all phone OSes. None of my iOS devices disconnect from local WiFi because they don't have Internet connectivity. I do this this all the time with several devices I have that broadcast their own WiFi for remote control connectivity.
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#98So I guess if it goes phone to phone by Bluetooth/IR/WiFi AP, then home to home by a meshnet-alexa size/style device. The next part is the cross country/continent. Maybe HAM(bad bandwidth) or some nice billionaire has free/unmonitored satellites ha to replace the undersea cables.
Random side note: I was wondering how you could use space to store information. Like you use the stars as the canvas then change the incoming light as the write... Doesn't make sense would get destroyed but yeah.
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#99This brings up a question I still haven't gotten a clear answer to: why isn't Signal peer-to-peer like this? What is it about p2p that made it not doable, rather than Signal's current setup where every message goes through a centralized server before reaching the recipient? Would appreciate any insight.
There are practical problems. Does no internet also mean no network connection? Getting two devices to talk to each other without a network is not straightforward. Bluetooth can do it but has range limitations. Wifi can do it to, but there you have to get into very hardware-specific wizardry to move packets between devices without a network router. The target devices, cellphones, are designed to provide network acces…
> Wifi can do it to, but there you have to get into very hardware-specific wizardry
Android is supposed to support the standard for this called WiFi direct - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Direct#Mobile_devices. I've not seen much about it actually being used, though.
Apple has its own proprietary thing that it uses for Airdrop, which unfortunately is not cross-compatible.
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I did have a bit of a play with Manyverse (and with SSB itself in the past) and it looks interesting. The lack of syncing between desktop and mobile SSB accounts is a bit of a pain which I think will hinder adoption until they come up with a solution to that. I do worry that a lot of these newer messengers and networks are operating on a memory of what social networking was like in 2010. Quite a few at least handle p…
What on Earth us Facebook Events? During a pandemic lockdown?
Ha ha.
Events was the only feature keeping me on Facebook pre-lockdown. I only realised months after the pandemic started that I'd forgotten to login to Facebook since.
Would still be nice to have a non-Facebook platform to use for this if irl events ever resume.