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The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s What Happens If You Try

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Re: The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s What Happens If You Try

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Every month I go into The Who Is Hiring thread and Ctrl-F for “climate,” “energy,” and “carbon” and almost never turn anything up. I’ve been part of this community for something like ten years and I know many people on here to be extremely shrewd and intelligent, and yet, over and over again, I see people who don’t understand the scale of climate change at all, nor the scale of the opportunity involved in transitioni…

Monitor the comments in this thread and you have your answer.

Re: The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s What Happens If You Try

#53
post #11

I struggle to see the story in the article except for this man being potential mentally ill. That level of obsession isn't healthy. It isn't possible to look into the future and see a good material result. Literally everyone dies.

I completely agree. I was hoping he had written a guide to low carbon living, or started a research group to investigate incentives to decarbonize in terms of game theory but... nothing. The article is longwinded and doesn't do much for his cause besides provoke anxiety.

Re: The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s What Happens If You Try

#54

This man is nuts. It's a dire sign of the times that any publication would assert him as an intellectual or a martyr rather than a deranged outcast. Replace his delusions with almost any other and he would certainly attract those labels, or worse. This is not science. It's religion. Enough doomsday predictions have come and gone for me to be a heretic. People like this make me proud to wear the label.

You’re not a heretic. This guy’s attitude literally contradicts established climate science.

Re: The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s What Happens If You Try

#55

This guy remembers me about the golden rule in product management: If a lot of customers complain about something, they are almost always right. If they tell you how to fix it, they are almost always wrong. Outdoor toilet? OMG, please! It annoys me to no end that with the current environmental catastrophes, almost nobody approaches this with a quantitative engineering mindset, especially the ones who care most: Progr…

CO2 tax is indeed the only way I think. Even if all ground transport and the grid is carbon free, we still have massive CO2 output in industry, agriculture, housing and airline industry - there's no way to fix that if the massive external effect CO2 has, is not paid by the consumer. It should create a CO2 market that puts a price on capturing it, with whatever is the best (cheapest) method at the time. We already have that with the certificates, but should be careful with those as they seem to be not the most cost efficient way of getting to negative carbon - a lot of money is afaik. flowing to developing nations that have below-average carbon emissions (at least as officially captured), without actually having to plant any trees.

Re: The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s What Happens If You Try

#56
post #2

I can imagine a lot of things, but what the science is saying and what this article is saying don't seem to line up. It reminds me of this tweet from Senator Ed Markey: https://twitter.com/SenMarkey/status/1101234939058683904?s=2... > Climate change is literally destroying the planet. According to the Trump admin's National Climate Assessment, with no action, climate change will result in 10% GDP loss by 2090. That 1…

You're witness to mass hysteria driven by a whole lot of profit motive, career posturing, and social signaling, with a touch of "some kinda/pretty bad stuff is gonna happen." When I was younger—before the internet was in every home—I read articles about how the "information superhighway" was going to bring the whole world closer together. To my mind, that was analogous to a major city gone amok: unprecedented competi…

“What causes it? The world causes it. This causes it, this causes it, this causes it – information overload! All the electronics around you poisoning the airwaves! Technological fucking civilization! But we still we have all this shit, ’cause we can’t live without it.”

— Spider, Johnny Mnemonic (1995)

Re: The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s What Happens If You Try

#57
post #28
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you're missing in my opinion is how profitable drumming up existential fears about climate change in the population has been over the decades.

You're literate, you can form complete sentences, most of you have a post secondary education. It's not news, you've had your whole life to figure this out. The debate was over a long time ago. The party is over, the balloons are all either popped or up in the ceiling. Time to put away your gazoo, and wash the make-up off. This is no time to be a clown.

No, that’s a scientifically accurate take. The actual science of climate change should not cause someone in America “existential fear” (not unless you already sit up worrying about floods in Bangladesh anyway).

Re: The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s What Happens If You Try

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post #11

I struggle to see the story in the article except for this man being potential mentally ill. That level of obsession isn't healthy. It isn't possible to look into the future and see a good material result. Literally everyone dies.

The argument that people who care about the environment shouldn’t have children just makes absolutely no sense to me.

For me, one of the main reasons I care about the environment is for my children (and hopefully one day, grandchildren).

Re: The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s What Happens If You Try

#60

This guy remembers me about the golden rule in product management: If a lot of customers complain about something, they are almost always right. If they tell you how to fix it, they are almost always wrong. Outdoor toilet? OMG, please! It annoys me to no end that with the current environmental catastrophes, almost nobody approaches this with a quantitative engineering mindset, especially the ones who care most: Progr…

You’re confusing a few things though. A plastic ban has nothing to do with climate change. The drivers for a plastic ban lie elsewhere.

And the fact that Europe’s rivers aren’t among the top 4 likely has everything to do with that plastic ban and the fact that Europe isn’t as populous as the places whose rivers do contribute the most plastic to the ocean. Also, the fact that until recently much of Europe almost certainly shipped their waste plastic off to China anyways.

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