The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s What Happens If You Try
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#2I can imagine a lot of things, but what the science is saying and what this article is saying don't seem to line up. It reminds me of this tweet from Senator Ed Markey: https://twitter.com/SenMarkey/status/1101234939058683904?s=2...
> Climate change is literally destroying the planet. According to the Trump admin's National Climate Assessment, with no action, climate change will result in 10% GDP loss by 2090.
That 10% figure is on the high end (see: https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/how-much-will-the-green-ne..., under the heading "10% of GDP?). But even taking it at face value, it's irreconcilable with Markey's assertion about "literally destroying the planet" or the article's claim of "apocalypse." It's like two completely opposite thoughts in the same tweet, and I can't decide whether Markey is crazy or I am.
What is an apocalypse? The year my dad was born in Bangladesh, the under 5 mortality rate was about 1 in 3 children. That wasn't great, but it still wasn't "apocalypse." Will climate change be that bad? I don't think that's what the science says, but am I missing something?
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#3I was hoping the article would discuss the first sentence of the headline, but it skips right to the second. I expect better from ProPublica.
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#4I can imagine a lot of things, but what the science is saying and what this article is saying don't seem to line up. It reminds me of this tweet from Senator Ed Markey: https://twitter.com/SenMarkey/status/1101234939058683904?s=2... > Climate change is literally destroying the planet. According to the Trump admin's National Climate Assessment, with no action, climate change will result in 10% GDP loss by 2090. That 1…
What you're missing in my opinion is how profitable drumming up existential fears about climate change in the population has been over the decades.
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#6I can imagine a lot of things, but what the science is saying and what this article is saying don't seem to line up. It reminds me of this tweet from Senator Ed Markey: https://twitter.com/SenMarkey/status/1101234939058683904?s=2... > Climate change is literally destroying the planet. According to the Trump admin's National Climate Assessment, with no action, climate change will result in 10% GDP loss by 2090. That 1…
What you're missing in my opinion is how profitable drumming up existential fears about climate change in the population has been over the decades.
How profitable? This guy in the article? Al Gore getting a speaking gig?
Aramco does $300B revenue annually, and they are less than 10% of the market. Only an idiot would go into climate change advocacy for the money.
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#7A big part of the problem is these anodyne expressions "climate change" and "global warming". They say, "so what?"
We should only ever be saying "Global Climate Disruption".
I am estimating a 50% chance of global civilization collapse by 2030.
It starts with crop failure in tropical and subtropical countries. Fishery collapse, as coral reefs are wiped out by bleaching and acidification, slashes access to protein. Famine drives mass refugee migration across borders.
Rich, temperate countries panic at the influx and allow fascists into power (as has already happened in Brazil, Hungary, the Philippines, Turkey, India and Russia, and is only forestalled in the US, Italy, France, and Germany; pace China and the former SSRs).
Fascists in power will (as they do) start wars, disrupting trade, generating economic crises, and more wars spiraling out of control, and ultimately nuclear exchange.
A big part of the problem is actually refrigerants; HFCs currently in use, if vented, force as much heating as all the CO2 already in the atmosphere. We could remove CO2, in principle, but not the HFCs.
You might suggest 2030 is too soon, and 2040 more likely. I hope so, but it doesn't make that much difference, really. If we don't act like 2030 is the deadline, we will hit one soon enough.
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#8I can imagine a lot of things, but what the science is saying and what this article is saying don't seem to line up. It reminds me of this tweet from Senator Ed Markey: https://twitter.com/SenMarkey/status/1101234939058683904?s=2... > Climate change is literally destroying the planet. According to the Trump admin's National Climate Assessment, with no action, climate change will result in 10% GDP loss by 2090. That 1…
What you're missing in my opinion is how profitable drumming up existential fears about climate change in the population has been over the decades.
Yes, there’s, like, at least a dozen post-docs financing a burgeoning ramen habit off of it.
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#9I was hoping the article would discuss the first sentence of the headline, but it skips right to the second. I expect better from ProPublica.
That’s the point of the article. It’s about relationships, not global warming.
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#10A big part of the problem is these anodyne expressions "climate change" and "global warming". They say, "so what?" We should only ever be saying "Global Climate Disruption". I am estimating a 50% chance of global civilization collapse by 2030. It starts with crop failure in tropical and subtropical countries. Fishery collapse, as coral reefs are wiped out by bleaching and acidification, slashes access to protein. Fam…
Surely you mean "guessing"? What are you basing your estimate on? An estimate is based on metrics. You can't use that word "estimate" without at least citing what you base it on.
If you were to reach 2030 and things are alright climate wise, would you decide you are wrong, or pick another deadline? What is your criteria for deciding whether or not you should change your mind?